Only National Freedom Will Enable Us To Harness Star Fire
AS ENERGY costs rise, British scientists are to launch a new bid to harness the almost unlimited cheap energy that makes the sun and the stars burn.
The Rutherford Laboratory in Harwell, Oxfordshire, is to be the home of HiPer, which will use high-energy lasers to cause hydrogen to fuse into helium.
The aim is to destroy matter by turning it into pure energy, the same process that powers the stars, and to control it to offer humanity a new source of energy.
Given that oil supplies are not infinite, and that conventional fission nuclear power has serious safety and waste disposal issues, controlled hydrogen fusion offers one of the few possible ways of sustaining an advanced technological civilization in the long term.
Britain is not the only country launching a new programme to try to harness fusion. The French are trying a different technique, using magnets rather than lasers, at their £8billion ITER project, aiming to achieve controlled fusion power by 2022. The Americans are trying a third way at their National Ignition Facility in California.
Internationalists are not happy that three different countries are trying three different approaches to the problem like this.
The European Union is trying to get the French and British to merge their projects into one Euro-fusion programme, but they would do well to consider why it was Western, not Eastern, civilization that cracked a similar huge challenge 500 years ago - discovering and settling the New World of the Americas.
Back then the Chinese had a headstart and by 1430 their giant exploration fleets had got as far as East Africa, and could easily have gone on to discover Australia and the American West Coast. But all the efforts of their civilization were controlled by the one Chinese superstate that made it up. When the leadership of that state changed, a single decision on their part in 1433 scrapped the oceangoing fleet, sacked its commander Zheng Ho, and shut down the whole programme.
Western civilization, on the other hand, was made up of lots of independent nation states. Some weren’t interested in exploration - Columbus got a frosty reception from governments in his native Italy. Some backed the wrong horse including Portugal which started exploring East instead of West.
But others such as Spain and then England and France were free to back independent ideas which succeeded. So Americans North and South now speak English, French, Spanish and Portuguese, not Mandarin or Cantonese.
Similarly, in the struggle to control and harness the star fire, lots of separate independent national programmes, each trying a separate angle, is a strength, not a weakness. One big European or UN programme might choose the wrong tack, or simply be cancelled by a single decision.
Some of the separate national programmes will doubtless fail, or be scrapped, but the more separate, free nations try independently, the more likely humanity as a whole is likely to succeed.
This article by Steve Johnson appears in the July issue of Freedom.
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“Euro-fusion programme”? Con-fusion programme, more like. They have been “on the verge of a breakthrough” in the development of a workable nuclear fusion device for over fifty years. Don’t hold your breath.
Don’t expect the Clown to insist on British independence for anything. His comments yesterday regarding the effect of the current economic conditions affecting families:
” We will continue to work for global co-operation to deal with food, to deal with oil, to deal with commodities and to make for a smoother functioning global economy. I hope all parties will come to recognise that global co-operation and global leadership are now more necessary than before.”
So there you have it. The Clown dancing to his masters’ tune. No ideas of his own, just a Bilderberg stooge. It now appears that all his past decisions can be viewed in the same light. The gold sale, HIPs, green taxes, etc., etc. He has sold Britain’s soul for personal gain.
The only way we can properly harness our native British ingenuity is to free ourselves from the EU straightjacket. Trading between nations is fine, and co-operation in certain projects is also desirable. But the best way to harness each country’s talent is to free it from the dead hand of the nightmarish monolithic EU bureaucracy and allow its people and enterprises to flourish. Internationalists may not like or agree with this, but when have these people ever been right about anything? Most of the USSR’s technology was poached or stolen from Western sources by some of these same ‘internationalists’.
esselliott, while I agree with what you say, I wish people would not call Brown a “clown”. Brown is a corrupt, deceitful, dictatorial, evil, crook who is not at all funny.
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Don’t call him insane like Heathcliff either! - Ed
Why does the EU have to stick its ugly nose into things. Having separate fusion programs is the right approach for two main reasons:
1) Fusion is incredibly hard to achieve and sustain, so many approaches to rigorously test sustainability are required.
2) Independent groups are highly competitive which drives forward progress. When it is clear as to which technique yields the most favourable results, THEN it is time to have a unified and concerted effort, but not before. If the EU gets its way, the fusion program will be at cross purposes and will compromised.
Here is an article from The Times, dated July 11 2020. The headline reads ‘British Scientists develop unlimited power supply’. I quote ‘Dr John Smith, formerly of the Rutherford Laboratory in Oxfordshire, today announced from the National Ignition Facility in California, that he and his team now have a commercially available working hydrogen fusion generator. The team, who moved to California in 2015 due to a lack of funding from the UK Government, are said to be ecstatic. Prime Minister Cameron is said to be in ‘lively’ discussion with the US government to buy the operating rights, which were sold in April 2010 by the outgoing Labour regime, in the hope of averting increasing countrywide power cuts. Lord Brown, the former Labour Prime Minister was quoted as saying ‘I was the right man for the job.’
Mark my words. Only the BNP have the common sense to fund, patent, and nurture our scientists and inventions. The other three parties see the cost as a hinderance, the EU view it with envy.
Mr J you are correct and I apologise to clowns. At least they serve a purpose to entertain us.Brown serves no purpose at all, only to line his own pockets.
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I would just like to just say sorry to Emily Brontë for linking her most (in)famous character to that clown - I mean Brown - Ed
Gordon Brown, from the starship “FAILURE” is already working out ways to tax us on it. Quickly, beam me up BNP.
This nation is surrounded by water; we also have tons of the stuff falling from the sky every minute. So why not slap a few water turbines on the coastal areas to generate energy from the waves? Also, have a few hydro plants positioned on our waterways to generate electricity.
Hurrah - we are all going to go out in a Blaze of Glory.
Turning hydrogen into helium is what hydrogen bombs do when they go booooooom ….
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Not sure about your physics there White Rose but I think harnessing the sun’s power (or how it does it) is our only long term future - Ed
Please re-post it on the ‘Peace be upon them thread’. Thanks -Ed
The more approaches the merrier and the higher chance of someone stumbling over the next world solution (surprising how often serendipity has played a role in scientific discoveries). We’ve always been a powerhouse of inventiveness so let’s capitalise on our number one asset. A mix of endeavours offers satisfaction to more sections of society, a better use of available resources and a greater challenge to native resourcefulness. Use everything at our disposal from wind, waves and solar power to fusion, fission and coal and even a little bit of biofuel, oil and gas. That way negative outcomes are minimised, successful results maximised and no one sector becomes too powerful. Lots of industrial base and oodles of employment too. We’ll be laughing all the way to the meter cupboard.
IF you want national freedom, you certainly need to dump the EU and fast. Who gives a damn about what “internationalists” think or want. My advice is to arrest the whole cabal of criminals, some of whom are wanted in Russia for crimes against that nation. There is enough talent and innovation in this country to be able to chart our own destiny.
If it hadn’t been for the EU sponge, then we as a nation would have had the best hospitals in the world, the best schools and education system in the world, the best care homes for the elderly and so on. The list is endless. Instead of that, the idiots that have been at the helm for the last forty years have chosen to throw our hard earned money at this useless Marxist regime, dragging OUR country back into the dark ages.
Come on BNP and Britain, let’s get this show back on the road!!
We don’t need monolithic wasteful projects–far from it. We need lots of well-funded pure science projects that don’t have any obvious use. Let’s not forget that the common laser when invented was little more than a “toy” with no real monetary use. Now lasers are everywhere, from computers to surgery. All you would get from a super project is lazy scientists on the gravy train of yearly taxpayer funding and of course a whole army of “bean counters” to oversee it…Let’s not forget the longitude problem was eventually solved by a working class joiner from Lincolnshire with little formal education. At the time the “scientist” said it wasn’t possible and even then when found to be true the government refused to pay him for his invaluable invention! (nothing changes) And who solved the problem of flight?? Oh yes two brothers who ran a bike business! What we need are independent thinkers and not what we have today..PC “right thinkers”. Rant over with…BTW I just got my BNP membership card YAY!!
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Welcome to the BNP, j7 -Ed
Nuclear fusion has always held an interest for me. So much so I’ve read up on all and any information on the subject that I could find.
Let me tell you three important facts.
(1) nuclear fusion occurs naturally in the universe because of size and gravity. To copy on a small scale is impossible due to the lack of gravity caused by the sheer size of stars.
(2) Containment of any such small star, which is what fusion is, is at this point theory only. The theory covers a vast spectrum, but is thought that to contain one the diameter of 10 metres would require one million tons of liquid helium at 4000bar per second.
(3) Radiation The Sun’s radiation would kill us in seconds if we had no atmosphere, from 93 million miles away–on a smaller scale no one has a clue. The Helium for coolant and the physical building to contain the helium inside it, with secondary cooling outside that, and radiation protection, would make them 10 times more complicated than nuclear fission.
(4) The production and use of the helium as a coolant needs to start before the fusion so the helium created from the fusion would be owed and the fusion reactor would therefore produce less energy that needed to run it. The Oxford model had a 30% deficit on all calculi.
No, the future of Nuclear Fusion is a pipe dream until perhaps some new technical breakthrough can be discovered for its containment.
Back in the early 1980’s Britain had a facility called “JET” based in Culham, Oxfordshire. This nuclear fusion project used an extremely powerful magnetic toroidal field to contain high energy plasma, JET achieved fusion for a tiny fraction of a second. It was de-commissioned and later moved abroad, I had heard that this was ‘led’ by the EU energy commission. As soon as Britain has any form of manufacturing or export potential it gets sold or shipped abroad !
Our inventiveness, Sheriffofnottingham, went out of the window when education became a political football. Now we lavish all our praise on Theoretical cosmologists like Stephan Hawkin. Wonderful mathematician, no doubt, but prone to fanciful ideas. They coined the phrase “black hole” to describe massive collapsed stars or multiple stars. Then they told us that these were actual holes in the fabric of time and space. Only then to be shown up by the Hubble Space Telescope. No doubt these theorists will tell anyone that listens that Warp travel is just around the corner, and that harnessing the stars is in the hands of kids that cannot read and write when leaving school. I want to believe that it’s going to happen. But the realist in me sees that whilst the clash of civilisations is afoot, money will only be spent on this subject if it has a military use.
Well said THELMA H. You can bet your boots though that with the crop of such lousy short-term, stay-in-office-at-all-costs politicians that we have had to endure for the last forty-odd years, even had that money not been given to the EU, they would still have squandered it, just like they have squandered everything else.
Judging from the very many postings on this site, attracted from obviously very talented and thoughtful minded people, not afraid to face issues, it is evident that the BNP has already started to climb the huge mountain that confronts.
baz, you are correct in thinking that technological breakthroughs are by and large led by military application or political supremacy. A good example of this is the 1969 moon landing, entirely driven by the cold war, no other reason.
I do think that nuclear fusion will be pursued in a similar fashion, whoever ‘gets there first’ will in a sense hold great political and economic power as all other sources of energy production are becoming obsolete or have low yield.
Hi Ed: I used to teach Post Nuclear Holocaust Survival after the Hydrogen Bomb, for the RAF, and got quite cynical about the possibility of walking around with two heads - although the four arms turned out to be quite useful ….. (sic) joke.
Extracts from Notes …
The sun is powered by a heat-producing process called nuclear fusion.
In fusion, two lighter hydrogen nuclei combine to form a single, somewhat larger helium nucleus. The greatest challenge to artificially producing fusion reactions is getting two positively charged nuclei, which naturally repel each other, to combine.
Nuclear fusion used for power generation, could provide the earth with an almost unlimited source of power.
AT PRESENT, the only application of artificial fusion has been the hydrogen bomb.
So you see, bombs win every time .. because there’s no money in unlimited free energy, is there?
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My full name is Ed Teller-Ulam by the way (ET for short) but you win this time - Ed
I have had long chats with one of the scientists that used to work on the JET project in Culham, he said that fusion is possible with current technology, but NOT sustainable with current technology, also the input energy was greater than the output energy. His ‘best estimate’ of a fully functional prototype fusion reactor was at least 100 years away ! - that was his comment in 1982, so we could be looking at clean power somewhere in the region of 2082 ish !
What will have become of coal/oil/wind/water energy generation by then ? One can only wonder.
Maybe it’s just me but as I see it you have a bunch of Middle Eastern Muslim states that control most of the world’s oil. The Middle East is mad at the world (as usual) so the price of oil goes up 3 fold. Hmmm ?
Solution: Put British scientists to work to crack this fusion thing. We keep our new energy source & food & they can keep their sand & what’s left of their oil. ENJOY !!
If you aren’t stupid, then vote BNP!!!
It certainly seems that the general intelligence level of BNP supporters outstrips that of the other parties, I know academics and scientists that will give their vote to the BNP. It is the people that can see through the lib/lab/con smokescreen that turn to look at BNP policy.
Intelligent people that are anti-BNP are usually so because of media smear. I think times are changing, especially now, seeing as we have Richard in the London GLA.
The BNP is far better at thinking long term and at what strategies we should be adopting, this, I think will attract more followers from the scientific community who have influence over local council and the community.
Here’s a site which may be of interest to readers who may not have seen it before:
http://www.blacklightpower.com/press.shtml
It concerns a new method of power production using hydrogen with an energy level that quantum physics says is impossible.
Would it not be far more worthwhile to place a huge turbine generator above the European Parliament? A turbine placed there could harness all the wind and hot air emanating from below and could easily generate 626-Megatwats of electricity an hour!
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I’m onto it and can’t think why no one thought of it earlier - Ed
British ingenuity is the best in the world, providing it’s not strangled by the EU or lack of funding.
If it’s possible and not spoiled by any of the above, I’m sure our guys will figure something out.
While we’re debating alternate forms of fuel, what’s wrong with continuing to use oil? - http://discovermagazine.com/2006/apr/anything-oil
Hi ET,
further to fuel crisis … it may be wise to stock up on petrol now … in the light of the Iranian missile rattling and …
just off the grapevine …
According to former military officers in the Anbar province of Iraq, IAF jets arrived during the night from Jordanian airspace, entered Iraq’s airspace and landed on a runway near the city of Hadita. The sources concluded the jets were practicing for a raid on Iran’s nuclear sites.
The sources also said the American bases in Iraq might serve as a platform for the IAF from which to attack Iran. If Israeli warplanes were to take off from Iraq, they can reach Bushehr in five minutes - a “record time,” the sources said.
Personally I am booked for Bulgaria on the 27th of this month .. hint hint, nod nod, say no more, know what I mean?
I’ve just read your link, robbed. Any physics says it is impossible to extract the two elements Oxygen and hydrogen. The water has to be heated to 800 degrees centigrade either conventionally or by passing an electric current through the water. As someone pointed out some time ago in another post, you cannot create energy. It has to be generated from something. This is the law of physics. Heating the water to the desired temperature uses more energy than the gases it releases–that’s the reason. If coal was, say, £1 million a ton to produce then it would be no good for energy production if the generator only received £100 for electricity per ton of coal. These so-called inventors can never prove their claims. One such inventor claimed 10, 15 years ago, that he had created fusion at room temperature. And science fell for it. Snake oil salesmen the lot.
Some say it will give us unlimited free heat and power. If one day it is possible the containment and delivery will mean we will pay the going rate plus 17.5% vat.
For anyone who’s worried about the military using fusion to make weapons, they’ve been doing it since 1952.The hydrogen bomb is a fusion bomb.
Nuclear fusion needs to be perfectly controlled if it is to be used to make energy, wich is not the case with weapons.
Sounds kinda dangerous if you ask me.
There is an historical precedent here which augurs well for the future: Between them, Britain & Germany (circa 2nd world war) invented the jet engine, split the atom, radar, sonar, ICBMs, perspex, penicillin (a discovery, not invention) and a host of other non-military stuff, including lasers (first mooted in 1946). All of which are fully used to this day.
Interestingly, and by contrast, Russia, Japan and the USA invented and discovered nothing, in the same period, 1936-46.
That says sommat I think.
Washington Group wins Sellafield clean-up contract,
According to this article from the Daily Telegraph the cost will be in the region of 17 BILLION POUNDS
http://tinyurl.com/5mbf6n
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The clean-up and waste storage costs are never covered in nuclear power plant build-cost estimates either -Ed
All this lively banter about nuclear fusion and our energy needs for the future is good reading. But just think of this, WE won’t have a future unless we vote BNP!
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Right on tfc - Ed
EuroFusion of course, the cost will however be multiplied by the the number of euro states sticking their oars in. I seem to remember that microwave ovens were developed by an egghead using a cavity magnetron (the ‘hot’ bit of Radar - another Brit invention) to heat his lunch. I think that perhaps we should be left to get on with it.
Oh and I intend to vote BNP at every chance I get.
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Welcome aboard, AMC. - Ed
While co-operation with other nations is desirable in science and technology, if only to share the enormous costs involved, it certainly not wise to allow control of our own research to be handed over to a supra-national body such as the EU. But then this is true for just about every other aspect of our national lives. We need to regain our sovereignty in order to enact our own laws, form our own policies on foreign matters, defence and so on. We need to protect all our interests without having to seek approval from foreign politicians and governments. This can only be achieved by removing ourselves from the EU.
Dear Ed,
I picked up a virus when visiting the link in essemess` 11/7 18:10 post.
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It appears to download a virus-scanning software rather than a virus, but it’s still something we’re going to remove. Thanks for the heads-up.–Ed.
Something else relevant to energy sources: I have had a few e-mails of late–spam, of course–offering cheaper running of petrol vehicles by some sort of combination of petroleum and water. More than likely, these messages are cranks but I seem to remember from chemistry lessons of long ago that water is a component of both “producer gas” and “water gas” –both used in industry for energy requirements. So, is it possible that these people are on to something? Obviously, if the government knew of ways of helping vehicle owners they would bend over backwards to do it, that goes without saying. However, is there any chance of the BNP investigating whether, in fact, there could be alternative, cheaper ways of running cars etc?
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I do know that a boyfriend of mine designed, built and fitted a steam-injection system for his Moggy Minor. The end result was an improved fuel economy and a beast that would do 95mph (until he blew up the engine..). There are scams around but you might want to look around and do some research. Here’s an interesting link for starters “Unveiling home-brewed hydrogen” http://redherring.com/blogs/24457 -Ed
There’s something to be said for competition. Remember the space race? The USA and USSR were in competition to pull off bigger and bigger achievements, with their national pride at stake. In only 12 years space exploration went from the first satellite, Sputnik, to the first manned moon landing.
Then came the end of the Cold War. The lethargic spirit of international cooperation took hold and what has it led to? The International Space Station whose main purpose is political. “Look at all the nations working together in space,” they say, but what are they doing? Not much. When is someone going to build a moon base or travel to Mars?
Let’s bring back the spirit of international competition - it achieved more.
Competition between nations with national pride will achieve success faster than the merging of international talents–and the arguments which are thus unavoidable. This is why science and engineering evolve faster during wartime.