Money wasted on electronic counting of votes in London Elections
On 15th July we published our detailed report on the lack of transparency and the possibility of outright cheating taking place as a result of the votes cast in the recent London Mayor and Assembly Elections being electronically counted.
Our report also showed that it took three times longer to count the votes electronically than if it had been done manually (even though London Elects falsely claimed it would be the other way round and three times quicker!) Now we find that counting votes electronically is much more costly than the traditional method of manually counting votes.
A report by the new Mayor of London’s Forensic Audit Panel, was published on 15th July. The Forensic Audit Panel was tasked to “investigate financial management and controls at the London Development Agency and the Greater London Authority.” One of the areas it looked at was the cost of the recent London –wide elections. This was the finding:
“the cost of the 2008 election was in excess of £18 million. The likely budget for 2012 is therefore in the region of £20 million. Based on the average cost of one of the larger London borough’s local elections in 2004, after some indexing to 2012 prices, the aggregate cost across the 32 London boroughs is less than £15 million. Even without allowing for economies of scale, savings of up to £1 million per annum in the form of reduced contributions to reserves are we believe a realistic target in this area. The view of the potential lack of value for money of the current arrangements was supported by a recent independent report of the 2008 elections (report of the Open Rights Group which was accredited by the Electoral Commission).”
In other words, according to the Forensic Audit Panel when the next set of elections take place in 2012, it would cost at least £5 million less to do a manual count than an electronic count.
The Open Rights Group’s report was published on 2nd July. It makes interesting reading and can be found here .
The Open Rights Group’s findings were discussed in our own report published on this site on 15th July. Shockingly the Open Rights Group concluded: “there is insufficient evidence available to allow independent observers to state reliably whether the results declared in the May 2008 elections for the Mayor of London and the London Assembly are an accurate representation of voters’ intentions.”
With respect to the cost of the election, the Open Rights Group’s findings are somewhat at variance with those of the Forensic Audit Panel, and actually shown that the Forensic Audit Panel drastically underestimates the true likely cost in 2012, if electronic counting is persisted with.
On the costs in 2008 the Open Rights Group reports:
“London Elects has estimated the cost of the May 2008 elections at around £19 million. Of this, £12 million goes direct to the London boroughs and £7 million is allocated to central costs; the Indra (the company who supplied the electronic counting software) contract represents £4.5 million of this £7 million. The £4.5 million figure is provisional — at ORG‘s meeting with London Elects on 28 May 2008 ORG was told that it was likely to increase and that final costs would not be known until around 18 months after the election.
So the 2008 cost was provisionally £19 million but would go up – not the £18 million declared by the Forensic Audit Panel. This implies the 2012 cost is likely to be around £22 million and mean that a manual count would be around £7 million cheaper.
It takes longer, costs more and removes any possibility of transparency in the process. So why would anyone wish to persist with electronic counting?
Any suggestions?
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Can it be because someone or some party are receiving a nice big fat backhand for this??? … Sorry am I being to suspicious as to why we would persist in an area of unrelied technology that will cost more to use than the long and tried method of manual counting??
One point, how can they budget for something that they will not know the true costs for until around 18months, yes 18 months … thats a whole YEAR & a HALF after the elections have taken place????
Is that not leaving it open to fraud and abuse? …. Would anyone agree to have new windows fitted and told they will cost you around £2000 … but … we won’t know for another 18months … so you may pay £8000? I think not. Oh sorry I forgot, it doesn’t matter, it is our taxes that pays for it not themselves.
Can I also ask …. I read on the report the other day that the ballot-boxes are sealed after the voting closes????
Am I being a retard here? Why are the ballot boxes not sealed before voting starts? Then you know that the box was empty to start and has been presumably filled with valid votes. They should either be counted that night or kept under guard by representatives of all parties involved or CCTV with guards. That would hopefully ensure that rigging and fraud cannot go on easily.
Sorry to waffle on, but also, shouldn’t we make it that postal voting is returned back to only the very, very people who can’t make it to the polls can vote by post?
We should also either bring in biometric controls, CCTV or something, that stops fake voters or ring voters (what ever they are called) from casting votes using other peoples details, after all, we have face recognition software for CCTV, so it wouldn’t be that difficult.
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Why? Because they don’t want secure systems if there are votes in it for them. -Ed
Postal voting: classic example of fixing something what ain’t broke!
So why would anyone wish to persist with electronic counting?
Well, if an electronic system were used, it would be easier to ‘adjust’ the result. No need to go to all the trouble of searching through the boxes to remove ballot papers cast for the ‘wrong’ party
The Labour party is in an invidious position, reported £24m (or more) in debt.
Voting Machines are costly and might mean a “Donation” to someone or other.
The realy BAD POINT is pieces of paper can be recounted, examined and refered to court, not realy good the “wanted” result.
Lets stick to the BNP idea.