The already fragile support for the EU’s obsession with climate change was dented on Wednesday, when that obsession received a reality check from Irish scientists who warned their government that the country cannot meet the onerous emissions reduction targets set by the EU for 2020 unless the most “lunatic” draconian measures are implemented. More sound common Sense from across the Irish Sea!
This report from Irish Times says that a carbon tax would be the cheapest and most effective way for Ireland to move towards the EU’s targets. However, in order to meet the EU targetsthe ‘tax’ would need to be in the order of £3,000+ per ton of CO2 emitted. Or the equivalent of of £1.50 - £2.30 per litre of petrol.
Little wonder then that Professor John Fitzgerald of the Economic and Social Research Institute, described meeting the EU’s demands as ‘lunacy’!John Fitzgerald of the Economic and Social Research Institute, described meeting the EU’s demands as ‘lunacy’!
ESRI says Ireland cannot meet onerous EU emissions target
HARRY McGEE, Political Staff
IRELAND CANNOT meet the onerous emissions reduction targets by 2020 set by the EU unless the most “lunatic” draconian measures are implemented, an Oireachtas committee heard yesterday.
Prof Richard Tol and Prof John Fitzgerald of the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) told the Committee on Climate and Energy Security that a carbon tax would be the cheapest and most effective way of Ireland moving towards the targets. Prof Tol said its benefits were that it would be uniform, predictable and easily understandable.
They both said the target set by the EU is unduly onerous. Ireland is only one of three countries, along with Denmark and Luxembourg, that has been asked to cut greenhouse gases by 20 per cent compared to 2005 levels.
In a presentation made to the committee, Prof Tol made what he described as a “cheeky” suggestion that the carbon tax needed to meet this stringent target would be equal to a carbon tax of €4,000 per tonne of CO2. That level of tax would add €2-€3 to the price of a litre of petrol. The European Commission’s own estimate for the price of carbon in 2020 is only €40 per tonne.
When Progressive Democrats Senator Fiona O’Malley asked the ESRI was it serious about imposing a €4,000 tax, Prof Fitzgerald said that they were not suggesting the imposition of such a tax, but were illustrating the onerous nature of the target.
“From our research, we do not think that we can meet that target in any way,” he said.
Prof Tol said that a carbon tax of €20 per tonne would raise €550 million per annum, with income rising by eight per cent each year.
He said that the revenue should not be earmarked. If the revenue was put into social insurance and income tax reductions, it would have a positive outcome for the economy, he said, as it would lead to a reduction in labour costs.
Richer households would pay only a fraction more than poorer households in carbon tax, he said. To counter that unfairness, measures such as increases in social welfare, child benefit, and increases in tax credits would need to be taken.
The committee’s chairman, Seán Barrett of Fine Gael, said that the current climate change strategy should be scrapped by the Government and a new one published with ambitious, reachable targets for 2050.
In that context, both ESRI representatives talked about the difficulty of meeting the targets by 2020 in areas where there are slow turnarounds of capital. New housing insulation regulations will not have an appreciable effect until the decade after 2020; power plants are not replaced for decades and people hold on to cars for a decade and longer.
Prof Fitzgerald said that agriculture, which is responsible for 28 per cent of emissions mainly through methane produced by livestock, presented a problem.
“We are wrestling with it and do not have an answer on this. If we had to meet the target and it was an absolute imperative, the cheapest thing to do would be to get rid of all our livestock.
“But it would be a lunatic thing to do. It would do nothing for the world. They would just be bred in Brazil or elsewhere,” he said.
Prof Tol added that no sector could be exempted. “The other sectors need to work harder. If agriculture is off limits and we are not going to [target cattle], then we have to [target] commuters.”
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Professor David J.C. MacKay, Department of Physics, University of Cambridge has produced a popular book which can be downloaded from his website
Sustainable Energy - Without the Hot Air
and a
four page executive summary
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This is a must-read for every one of us. Professor McKay cust through the lies, spin and c***. I am heartened to see that his thoughts are very much in line with the BNP’s take on the subject. Thanks for the link, BR -ED
This is excellent news. Common Sense, not ”Common Purpose” should prevail in this matter, as in all matters regarding our brotherhood of nations. There was never going to be, nor was it expected that, any of these aims could be reached. The object was more taxes, under the excuse of going ”green”, and to engineer ”draconian” measures, which thankfully has been addressed by the Professor. The powers that be, are of course in full knowledge that what is being proposed is dictatorial. President Roosevelt once said ”Nothing happens by accident in politics. If it does, somebody planned it that way.” Be warned, and get prepared for seriously hard times.
Another blaitent sneaky act, just like the whole of the EU.
Watch as the people of each European country start to rise up in the coming few years.
GORDON Brown was last night accused of betraying Britain with a “grubby”surrender to Brussels.
Under a cloak of secrecy, the Government finally ratified the Lisbon Treaty earlier this week and committed the country to a new deluge of European meddling.
http://express.lineone.net/posts/view/52947/Sold-out-to-Europe-Brown-makes-Queen-sign-away-our-sovereignty
As per usual David Icke has lots to say on the subject of the New World Order that, once a fantasy, is now a tangible and undeniable reality.
You have all been warned. http://www.edgemediatv.com/icke/
As an aside. I was in the Super Market this morning when the headlines of ( I believe) The Daily Express caught my eye.
Gordon Brown has forced the Queen to secretly sign away OUR country to the EU! Do you have any more info on this one?
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The Queen gave the Royal Assent to the Lisbon Treaty the day after it passed through the House of Lords. To complete the ratification process, the document had to be delivered to Rome.
This was done on Wednesday, despite the Irish NO vote, which invalidates the Treaty.
You can read the Express report here: http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/52947 - Ed
This is the year where it all starts to crumble…….Even this guy knows it’s all but over…
Quote:
I DEVOTED six years to carbon accounting, building models for the Australian Greenhouse Office. I am the rocket scientist who wrote the carbon accounting model (FullCAM) that measures Australia’s compliance with the Kyoto Protocol, in the land use change and forestry sector.
FullCAM models carbon flows in plants, mulch, debris, soils and agricultural products, using inputs such as climate data, plant physiology and satellite data. I’ve been following the global warming debate closely for years: more at=
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24036736-7583,00.html
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Good find, odin. Thanks. - Ed
May I suggest that EU politicos reduce their personal CO2 footprints by refraining from breathing.
Bliar got rid of the treason laws, I’m led to believe. So we won’t be able to put this lot of traitors on trial for ratifying our extinction. They think its all over and they are victorius. All tyrants become unstuck for this reason.
@bert rustle, (and off topic) with respect, I looked at McKay, and he’s very verbose indeed. And he makes the same mistake he acuses others of, viz lots of trivial stuff which ought to be footnotes. Moreover he has no definite evidence on the ‘carbon footprint’ idea which after all is one of the key bits of fantasy/ or realism depending on your beliefs.
Also one feels there may be technologies which capture only tiny percentages of energy, but which could be important, since the atmosphere generates immense energy - easily enough in a second for the entire world over generations.
However at least he’s optimistic about reserves.
Excellent report.
There’s hardly any point in relying on the media for news and information when we can get it all here.
Well done, BNP news team!
If those idiotic stuffed shirts in Brussels did not drive around so much in chauffeur driven limos or jet back and forth some much from country to country, that may help reduce carbon output somewhat! Bring on the quiet revolution.
There are ways of controlling CO2 waste but unfortunately non of the poltical establishments have the bottle to carry them out. Stop immigration into europe (and this country). Ban outside produce unless it cannot be grown in this country/europe. Stop wasting money on paying off 3rd world debt, this money should be invested in alternate energy resources.
The problem is politicians really want to have a one world order and in order to do that they have to destroy the walls of our countries and cultures in order to merge us all into sheep. The problem is that this conflicts directly with the goal of saving the planet. Their weapon for destroying our countries is immigration as it alienates and isolates the native peoples of these countries. Immigration means more births and hence larger populations (= more resources, food etc.. all adding on the CO2 tally).
Waste money by donating to the 3rd world. Result improved services in the 3rd world such as hospitals which in turn increases the populations of these countries which wouldn’t be a problem if their birth rate wasn’t out of control.
The fairtrade con should be stopped. The amount of CO2 wasted in bringing this produce into our country is sickening.
Clearly the environment is just a fad to these politicians to make out they are wonderful caring people when in reality they couldn’t give a dam. We should be protecting the planet not destroying it. Therefore helping the 3rd world is really helping to increase the birthrate which helps to destroy the world.
There are three kinds of “Green” -
The real “green” that only the British National Party understands and actually is.
The green morons who pay taxes to support the continued manufacture of waste which they are forced “recycle” or get fined for not doing so, and then go and vote for the LibLabCon/Islamist axis, and therefore for their own and their childrens extinction.
The vile and perfidious scum who peddle the global warming religion of idiots and followers of the like of Al Gore and the rest of the evil anti-nature, anti-human b******s!
You’ve been had, people.
It’s not “green” that these wicked, dark-hearted filth are peddling, so get real, wake up, refuse to take anymore of the poison and lets call it by its real name -
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2125
Vote BNP if you want to survive!
Dear Ed, thanks for all the great work you and your colleges and all the contributers are doing here on the website.
Here is a link to more out-of-control behaviour from london school-children against the police.
I have taken screen shots of three similar reports on yahoo news in case they are removed or censored.
Here is the link:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080718/tuk-britain-police-crime-a7ad41d.html
best wishes
sam77o7uk
Thankyou, Sam - Ed
The E.U. doesn’t want common sense -IT WANTS COMMON PURPOSE!
When is someone with sufficient courage going to step up to the plate and declare this carbon emission garbage for the no-brainer it really is?..
sam77047uk thanks for the link. I’m a croydon lad, it wasn’t like that when I was a kid. Now I don’t recognise the place. Truly enriched.
On the subject of the EU. They’re to give Africa a spare Billion euros they have made off farming subsidies. This comes on the same day that they have refused to pay Belgrade 1 Billion euros for failing to clear there towns and cities of Mafia cartels and gangsters. Amazingly the link for the latter has now dissapeared, but here is the link for Africa’s little wind fall. I wonder if it’s the same Billion?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7513562.stm
The carbon tax is a tax thought out by lunatics. HOW CAN YOU TAX THE INVISIBLE!
Some may remember the Danny Kaye song the King has no Clothes. it reminds me of that.
The EU Dictatorship -
http://www.ukcolumn.org/home/2008/04/22/the-eu-dictatorship/
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2125
Now you know why the eu/liblabcon/eukip/islamist party call the BNP “fascists”.
http://liarsbuggersandthieves.blogspot.com/
…. and now here’s the BBC truth-news at ten …. straight from number ten.
@ Anglo-Australian Alliance
Thanks for the link - a heady three hours but worth every minute. The BNP seems to be right up there with David Icke - the only political party he didn’t slag off. People are gradually waking up to what’s going on and the Secret Agenda’s not so secret any more. I agree with Icke that it’s a global problem, but charity begins at home and we have to fight to save our little patch of earth first. If every country supported its own nationalist party, a number of spokes would soon be put in the globular wheel. I was fairly convinced that the global warming problem was not manmade when I saw the programme on the telly about solar flares and the corresponding warming-up on Earth. It always seemed amazingly arrogant to me to believe that puny man could so easily affect the universal machinery.
@ keenie-meenie
They’re not giving it to Zimbabwe, are they? Please say they’re not giving it to Zimbabwe.
Who are these wonderful men Professors Tol and Fitzgerald with their talk of cheeky lunacy, suggesting that the cheapest thing to do would be to get rid of all the livestock and that if they’re not going to target cattle, they they’ll have to target communters? I laughed till the tears ran, imagining it all being said in a heavy Irish brogue. Are they taking the peace prize or what? Another reason for Ireland to say no to any new EU referendum. A typically Irish way of proving a point, if I may say so, but very effective. As far as the methane problem is concerned, they should capture the gas by a ventral or anal tube from the livestock concerned and use it to fuel the Guinness stills.
san77o7uk, I looked up that link about the police; it begins “The teenage girl was initially asked to pick up a piece of litter. She did so but immediately dropped it again.” Laughing here- Muslims can rape and attack, motorists run people over, but the police heroically ask a girl to pick up litter. Thanks Gordon Brown. Thanks so very much.
A week ot two ago I pointed out comprehensively in two consecutive posts on this website (a) the true causes of global warming and (b) the reasons why carbon dixoide cannot have anything to do with global warming.
I’m not going to repeat them here
but I will simpy reiterate:
1.Global warming is NOT man made.
2.Carbon dioxide has NOTHING
to do with global warming.
The same applies to methane. Yes, in theory, methane could function as a greenhouse gas and it passes the test which carbon dioxide fails, insofar as it is light enough to travel sufficiently high into the upper layers of the earth’s atmosphere.
But… like carbon dioxide, methane fails miserably when it comes to the quantitative test. Permit me to use a simple analogy -you can drown in water but not if you only have a teaspoon full.
The American Physical Society which represents 50,000 scientists - real scientists - has declared that there is no ‘consensus’ and that a substantial number of its members disbelieve the man-made global warming theory. A link is available in the comments at Biased BBC but I’ve checked it and it’s real: the scientists are in revolt. What will the politicians do next?
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What will they do next? … Probably tax us for global cooling. They have to pay for their social engineering and islamifiaction somehow, don’t they? -Ed
@ sam77o7uk
David Icke might say that children are so out of control because they have been pumped full of poisons both physically and mentally since their conception. What chance do they have against the machinations of the Powers That Be? You need all your wits about you and they are targeting the few we have remaining. People are waking up, but children are a special case, firstly because they have been so tampered with and, secondly, because you need time to study what’s going on and they’re not at that stage of their lives yet. The government is so wicked, my thumbs are pricking! Our children are probably being nanochipped along with their injections and then subjected to brainstorming from afar. I’ve often wondered if a nanochip lodged in the brain might lead to autism.