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Busy weekend ahead for Westminster’s paper shredders?


Following today’s High Court judgement it remains to be seen what Mr. Speaker, Labour’s Michael Martin, and fellow “Honourable Members”, will do next. These taxeaters could, of course, concede defeat and make public details of MPs claims on taxpayers money running into many millons of pounds. However, the consensus of opinion has it that they will appeal the High Court decision – particularly so, as this will buy time, they have nothing to lose from so doing and, as with the original legal challenge, it will not cost them a penny as, once again, it will be the taxpayer who will pick up the bill!

A selection of quotes from today’s Guardian Online make for interesting reading:

Quote: The Commons Speaker, Michael Martin, today lost a high court battle to prevent the disclosure of the details of second-home expenses claimed by 14 prominent MPs. Today’s ruling, given by Sir Igor Judge, the president of the Queen’s bench division, Lord Justice Latham and Mr Justice Blake, will increase pressure on Martin, who has been criticised for his decision to block the publication of the information. Unquote

Quote: “For example, there is evidence which suggests that one MP claimed ACA for a property which did not exist, and yet further evidence may demonstrate that on occasions MPs claiming ACA were letting out the accommodation procured from the ACA allowance.” Unquote

Quote: The members estimate committee will meet next week to decide what step to take next. “We received the judgment and are considering it. It will be considered by the members estimate committee next week,” a spokeswoman for the committee said.
Sitting on the committee along with Martin are frontbench representatives of the three major parties as well as some senior backbench MPs. Unquote

The article may be read, in full, here .

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24 comments for “Busy weekend ahead for Westminster’s paper shredders?”

  1. Get in! Excellent news. The can of worms is now open, and everyone knows when that happens you need a bigger can to get them back in. Bad news for them - there IS no bigger can.

    Posted by Mandala | May 16, 2008, 5:15 pm
  2. Even if they keep appealing, and continue to lose-out, who’s going to make them anyway?

    Posted by uksweet | May 16, 2008, 6:05 pm
  3. The members will meet next week to decide what step to take next.
    Which day? the day after refuse collection?
    I think their next step will be to switch on the power and put the machines onto extra fast extra bulk shred.

    Posted by jao7 | May 16, 2008, 6:09 pm
  4. Dam thieving gits!!…I’m sorry for using such explicit language but how can someone claim for a house that doesn’t exist?

    If this is the case the police should be bearing down with the handcuffs at the ready.

    Does anyone remember the old black and white Dracula films. At the end the film the castle gets stormed by the mob, wielding pitchforks and sticks. Right now I feel like going down to Westminster and sticking Michael Martin on the end of one. But hey lets look on the bright side of life, tomorrow the cost of living will have risen for us and the the Westminster thieves will be still claiming the luxuries for free…We all must be stupid.

    Posted by darkmatter | May 16, 2008, 6:18 pm
  5. They sowed the wind, now they will reap a whirlwind. I hope these greasy b*******s get found out, charged and pay the penalty. I also hope that this is passed around our ‘free’ press, so that the masses can at last see what a dodgy bunch they all are.

    Posted by whistle | May 16, 2008, 6:20 pm
  6. What disgraceful despicable bunch of selfish imbeciles.Not only are they guilty of treason by giving our country away to the EU but robbing the tax payer of money,this means that they are THIEVES, but will not be summonsed because they are covered by COMMON PURPOSE.We have to get to grips with common purpose and bring these traitors to book and ensure that they are tried for treason,make no mistake they will be brought to trial.

    Posted by JIM GREEN | May 16, 2008, 7:44 pm
  7. It’s no wonder their EU Comrades in Arms in Brussels wanted to bring forward the ratification of the EU Constitreaty. They have to get it ratified and in place asap so that any pending investigations or prosecutions will be declared invalid under the powers the Constitreaty gives them to protect their own.
    They will drag the appeals out until Jan 2009, then it’s game over for any remaining democracy and accountability in this country.

    In the meantime, we can continue to expose them for what they are - even the media are getting their nerve back and are beginning to tell it as it is while they still can - we all have to keep chipping away and hopefully their little corrupt house of ‘Common Purpose’ cards might start to show the strain and come crashing down on them.

    Off topic - here’s an American view of McBean’s speech in Boston and his vision of a One World Government - it’s an ‘FU, Brown, don’t tell us what we should do’ moment.
    We aren’t alone in our hatred for the ‘globalists’:

    http://tinyurl.com/4trb3u

    Posted by Lickyalips | May 16, 2008, 8:11 pm
  8. We should get to the bins before all this stuff ends up in landfill.

    http://www.brugesgroup.com

    The EU has not had its accounts signed off for 13 years.

    95% of its annual Budget is unaccounted for.

    http://eutruth.org.uk/50reasonseu.pdf

    http://www.eutruth.org.uk/churchflier.doc

    Posted by royalecraig | May 16, 2008, 9:26 pm
  9. When the EU Gendarmerie or whoever take over, they will deal with us on a piece by piece basis, isolating sections of the country physically and electronically ( GSM Mobile comms are a cellular system,) sections of the country can be isolated just like in 7-7) similarly we have regionalisation of TV and radio services.
    By using historical footage it may appear that all is well when it is not.
    I presume that most people know their position can be tracked from mobile phone signals down to a few metres.

    The only way to prevent this is to remove the battery, you could also have some fun with big Brother by swapping phones with someone else every few months.

    —-
    See our article concerning Blears’s charming little plan for ‘community tension control’. Personally, I can’t see our Police being bossed around by these goons, and I don’t think the Army will be exactly impressed either. Not to mention the, er, Proletariat. - Ed.

    Posted by royalecraig | May 16, 2008, 9:40 pm
  10. I wonder if the rent boys or ladies of the night have put their claims in, against the perverts that shame this country.

    Posted by samba | May 16, 2008, 11:23 pm
  11. Sorry completely irrelevant but still everybody should see this

    http://www.eutruth.org.uk

    Posted by Freddage91 | May 17, 2008, 12:35 am
  12. The DamBusters.

    Something is happening out there, People are voting for Nick Griffin / BNP and even suggesting a coup.
    Ok its on a Telegraph Blog but ….

    The Psychological repression may be wearing off.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/yourview/1959571/Who-is-the-%27right-leader%27-for-our-hard-times.html

    Talking about or Blogging about the BNP or immigration was not previously Possible because of years of Psychological repression.
    Seeing others taliking openly about immigration, the BNP raises the possibility that they could to.

    Realising this Possibility is the first step to shaking off the repression.

    The Dam is Breaching.

    We should redouble our efforts, make sensible discussion about BNP Policy on Blogs etc inviting people to vist the site / examine the Policies.

    Posted by royalecraig | May 17, 2008, 1:12 am
  13. Britain is a Kleptocracy.

    (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Kleptocracy)

    The British Government is a gang of thieves,wholesale.This case proves this beyond any lingering doubt.

    “For example, there is evidence which suggests that one MP claimed ACA for a property which did not exist, and yet further evidence may demonstrate that on occasions MPs claiming ACA were letting out the accommodation procured from the ACA allowance.”

    Kleptocrats to the man/woman.

    Posted by Brigantes | May 17, 2008, 7:11 am
  14. This is a useful site. It helps people do Freedom of Information requests: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/

    Posted by Mister J | May 17, 2008, 7:21 am
  15. Hi Ed

    Off topic, sorry, but shouldn’t there be a thread about the court vindication of Channel 4 Dispatches Prog?

    There’s a bit of good stuff on Anil Patani of West Midlands police, who in Orwellian style is in charge of “Security and Cohesion” - he was apparently responsible for the absurd threats and libel of C4 in the first place

    Posted by Stringbag | May 17, 2008, 7:30 am
  16. Oh happy day!
    Everybody after three.
    1,2,3. Oh the sun has got his hat on hip,hip,hip hooray!
    The sun has got his hat on and he’s coming out to play!

    The pigs of Westminster are finally going to get what the deserve.
    Run piggy run! I love it!

    Posted by mono | May 17, 2008, 8:42 am
  17. Maybe I am missing the point, but the reports indicate that the appeal centres around the disclosure of the second home addresses on the grounds of security.
    Personally I don’t give a hoot about the addresses, all I want to know is how much has been fiddled.

    And as for the MPs’ increase in salary by 25%, has anyone in the press picked up on the fact that the MPs’ pensions are based on a higher wage? With those pensions being final salary, is it not a bit strange that (as hundreds of Labour MPs will soon lose their seats) they suddenly give themselves a long term income boost?

    Posted by tetleyteaman | May 17, 2008, 9:10 am
  18. Ed. You said yesterday, tongue-in-cheek, that they would probably appeal to the High Court or the European Court. I’ve just read on AOL News that MPs are considering an “urgent” appeal against the High Court’s decision. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    -

    Their desperation and despotism knows no bounds. The thing is, it’s not the money, second homes etc. thats causing them so much discomfort. All that can be sorted out by consensus and rule changes. What really frightens them is that the ruling opens the way for their secret world of corruption and treason to be exposed. Times are indeed a-changing.

    Related article - http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2008/05/harvard-university-and-globalisation.html - Ed

    Posted by esselliott | May 17, 2008, 1:01 pm
  19. Posted by royalecraig | May 17, 2008, 6:50 pm
  20. “Some of Tony Blair’s expenses claims, which the High Court last week ruled should be disclosed to the public, have been shredded. The documents, itemising Blair’s claims for household expenses during a year of his premiership, were destroyed in the midst of a legal battle over whether they should be published. All MPs’ expenses are funded by taxpayers. It is a criminal offence to destroy documents to prevent their disclosure under freedom of information (FOI) laws, but Westminster officials say they were unaware that the files were the subject of a legal challenge. They insist they were destroyed by mistake.”

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3953909.ece

    Absolutely outrageous! We know that the CPS will not do anything about this, look at the shameful way they ditched “cash for honours” just as soon as Blair stepped down. It is possible to bring a private prosecution though. National appeal for funds?

    Blair’s greatest crime was the murderous illegal war on Iraq which subjected a nation which was no threat to us, and had done us no harm, to the torments of hell. Unfortunately it seems unlikely that he will answer for his crimes over this. If we had a proper Parliament, rather than an unrepresentative “representative” of placepersons, toadies and thieves, Blair would have been Impeached for waging an illegal war. Sadly we do not have such a representative but a private prosecution over this squalid shredding might pay dividends. After all Al Capone was convicted of tax evasion, not gangsterism.

    When considering this shredding the very ancient legal principle of cui bono, “who benefits”, should obviously apply. As the great Roman orator and master of courtroom drama Marcus Tullius Cicero put it:

    “The famous Lucius Cassius, whom the Roman people used to regard as a very honest and wise judge, was in the habit of asking, time and again, ‘To whose benefit?’. Not hard to work that one out.

    Posted by Stringbag | May 18, 2008, 6:50 am
  21. We all now admit that Enoch Woz Right. Perhaps we should now admit that Guy Fawkes Woz Right. So any suggestions as to who we should now stick on top of the bonfire?

    Posted by John L | May 18, 2008, 7:34 am
  22. Tony Blair’s expenses shredded.

    Some of Tony Blair’s expenses claims, which the High Court last week ruled should be disclosed to the public, have been shredded.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3953909.ece

    Well fancy that! I wonder if Plod will collar Bliar over this.

    Posted by Mister J | May 18, 2008, 7:59 am
  23. Why do these people never get prosecuted are they above the law I thought the law was for all not just to persecute and keep down th working British people/ Royalty above the Law/Politicians Above the law. Muslims as the preachers of hate who have never been prosecuted Above the Law/ Foreigners continually let off Above the Law//WAR TIME PENSIONERS and other old age pensioners jailed for none payment of council tax The rest of us fined for the slightest transgression Speeding etc : HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO PUT UP WITH THIS INJUSTICE and kicking __ BNP 4 ME

    Posted by Warriorbrave | May 18, 2008, 5:53 pm
  24. http://tinyurl.com/46lhox

    Tony Blair’s expenses shredded ‘by mistake’ - just as they were about to be made public.

    Oh dear - I wonder how that happened.
    They must think we have all been ejookated under NuLabour and are complete idiots!

    Posted by Lickyalips | May 19, 2008, 3:59 pm

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