I see the call for a referendum as a way of telling our MPs that we don’t want to lose our Sovereignty, which is something that they seem hell bent on doing. It makes no difference whether it’s legal or not to sign away Sovereignty, because once done it will be hard to claw back. The EU is planning a coup détat - effectively gaining the power over this nation that years ago would have required an invasion. What Hitler couldn’t take by force, our MPs are giving away of their own volition. Once done, the EU will respect our constitution no more than Hitler or Napoleon would have done if they’d successfully conquered us. If our MPs are going to act unconstitutionally, then we’ll have to too. We’ve got to the stage where we don’t have the luxury of arguing over arcane pieces of law, because our MPs simply aren’t abiding by those laws. I want a referendum on this illegal act of treason and stop it that way. If the people who wish to give our Sovereignty away aren’t playing by the rules, then what’s the point of us playing by them? If the referee won’t blow up for offside, then there’s nothing to be gained from claiming the moral high ground after defeat. Think about it!

While the demonstrators who climbed the crane may be missing the point, as your article puts it; at least they are doing something and should be applauded.

We all want the EU off our backs and to retain the ability to determine our own laws and to recover the legal ground already lost to Brussels. Apart from writing letters of complaint, to no one in particular, through numerous media outlets (the BBC excepted of course) our cause lacks leadership to coordinate the true feelings of the indigenous British people.

Is there nothing that can be done except to wring our hands?

We have to make this a really important talking point, without giving the BBC/Guardianistas an opportunity to either ignore it, or belittle it. They did this a few years ago, and people stupidly got bored and embarrassed by the topic, and allowed Labour to ”negotiate terms” with Europe. It is far too important to allow this continuaton, therefore I suggest that (1) we compile a permanent, and growing list on this site, of what EU laws are doing to our country. (recently jailing someone again, for breaking EU weights and measurement rules when they promised they would not) (2) Highlight the possible jailing of people who voice oppinions against the EU police state. (3) Compare parrallels in the US and world-wide, with the EU part Communist/Fascist superstate, such as the un-democratically proposed linking of Mexico, America, and Canada. This type of solid and inforamtive link, will sway many to the wider cause of British Nationalism. Also, it will set the stage for people to realise a superstate will not stop at Europe - but will encompass the world.

So what’s it all about?

“British jobs for British workers”
- Brown
Yet -
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/36876/Migrants-get-85-of-new-jobs-in-Britain

Today -
http://www.uktabloid.co.uk/Main%20News.html

Tomorrow?

It is now plain what lies ahead.
What will the people vote for?

Wake up - time is running out!

Our Constitutional Law, as set down in Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights, CANNOT be “revoked” because these documents are not acts of parliament, they are treaties between the British sovereign and the British people, to stand “for all time to come”.

Therefore any revocation or, properly, abrogation, of British Constitutional Law IS, irrefutably,
an act of treason.

By all means let us have a constitutional challenge to the treasonous EU treaties, let us indeed have a gentlemanly discussion about them in a British court. How nice, how very civilised.

I well remember a film showing a nice, elderly gentleman who, having just had a nice, gentlemanly discussion with a man who was not a gentleman but was definitely a Eurofederalist, stepped out of a DC3 on its return from Munich to Croydon airfield, stood on the tarmac and said, “I have here a piece of paper, with Herr Hitler’s name upon it, as well as mine. We shall have peace in our time”. Those placatory words from that gentlemanly appeaser were followed by a desperate and bloody six-year fight for our survival!

The ruling traitors are certainly not playing by the rules - but we can and, sooner rather than later, we must. There is nothing unconstitutional or illegal in arresting any and all persons suspected of having committed treason, using such force as may be necessary, whether there is only one or there are 644 of them.

It’s good that people are prepared to get off their behinds and draw maximum attention to this imminent act of Treason. We have to counter the extreme arrogance of those EU-enthusiasts who describe the recent ‘home-made’ referendum as ‘flawed’, i.e. the result was resoundingly, emphatically ‘wrong’ - just as the previous French and Dutch referenda were described as ‘a mistake which will have to be corrected’.

Cranes? In the absence of free choice, why not?

What can we do about our Parliament committing treason against the people of this land? We certainly cannot challenge it through a Parliament that is rigged and gerrymandered by Labour’s huge majority yet with only 24% of the popular vote. The people have no constitutional protection. What will happen now to the protective delineation of the State and Monarch? To whom will the Armed Forces swear allegiance? What is there now to protect us from a coup? Perhaps there has already been a coup! What can we realistically do to counter this - any answers anyone? Is democracy dead in Britain now that Euro fascism has taken over?

I read recently that Angela Merkal is now one of the most powerful women in the world.
She came to Downing Street to tell our Prime Minster he could not hold a Lisbon Treat Referendum, as it was illegal to do so.

So nice of this German from the ex communist state of East Germany to dictate terms to us.

So McBrown has to do as he is told.
Makes you proud to be British?

I consider myself a stateless person. It did not used to feel like this.

The roman empire,to put a finish to the rebelions by the Celtic people managed only to do so by killing all the druids in the land. The druids new the whole history and the stories and tales of the Celts. They were the religious leaders and guidance, the whole essence of being a Celt. The romans knew this and also knew that the Celts had no written language. By killing the druids they destroyed the Celts as a nation and took over Britain for 400 years without further trouble. A nation without an identity aint a nation. A night at the proms anyone?

Peaceful protest isn’t working. Time for some direct action!

Ed: the pat_riot post is driving me nuts. What was it? Can we not have a moderated version so we can just fill in the blanks? Or would the moderated version be just a blank? It’s just that I’m having one of those ‘look but don’t touch, touch but don’t taste’ moments in my life wondering what the hell it’s all about!! Just joking but love the Thunderclap Newman song, especially that unforgettable start.

I’m beginning to wonder if all the sacrifices made in the last war were actually worth it after tonight’s vote in the Commons. Certain it is our troops in Iraqistan are dying and getting maimed for nowt - nowt worthwhile anyway with this traitorous lot in Parliament.

I feel like the eagle has landed and what is happening here is exactly what it must have been like when Hitler came to power. In fact it’s worse. Not a single vote has been cast for this Brown to be PM. Our so called democracy is nothing but a sham. The Germans who did not want Hitler must have felt just like I do now - helpless. I will never again wonder why the German people then, did not rise up against Hitler and the Nazis; it’s a lot easier said than done.

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Winston, pat_riot’s version of the national anthem was amusing but a bit too much for publishing here. All I will say is that it contained sentiments contrary to the original, to say the least, so I had to delete it. Sorry. - Ed

As was pointed out, Gordon Brown has actually broken the law. No-one is above the law including the prime minister. I would add that he has also broken the treaty of the covenant between the state and the military. As he has broken the law he should be lawfully arrested and tried in court. If anyone is looking for a suggestion that would be one. Try clubbing together and find a prosecutor willing to take Gordon Brown to court. Another suggestion would be to engage on a peaceful non-violent protest or protests, asking the Queen to invoke her powers as ruler to dissolve the government which she can legally do at any time. Also on the Downing Street website there is a petition saying that it is time for Gordon Brown to resign and one saying that we should have a referendum. This would also lawfully get the point home, and the more people who sign this the stronger the point becomes.

It’s hard to swim against this tide, but here goes:

Comment generally agrees that the EU Treaty will destroy Democracy in the UK. What democracy is that?
Were we asked if we wanted mass immigration? Did we vote for the wholesale takeaway of our industries? Do we have any say on deployment of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Can we stop positive discrimination, which is diluting our Nationhood, taking jobs away from indigenous Britons, and in some cases endangering security?
We could all carry on the list.

Remember it’s a British government that wants Turkey in Europe, it was a British government that opened the gates to pent-up Slavic hungry hordes. It’s the British government that puts our troops on the front line, almost alone with the USA.

So far as I can see, it’s the Europeans who’ve held on to their
national identities and industries, and resisted Anglo-US
Globalisation and cultural levelling.

Asylum seekers give a clue: they shoot straight through Europe to get here. They know where they’re not wanted.

When you look at the pathetic state of this country, could European government have done any worse? What exactly is this quintessence of British self-governance that everyone seems to want to cling on to?

Alone, England will be nothing more than a warehouse for the global economy. Forget ‘Great Britain’. It went 60 years ago. We should throw our weight in with our European neighbours. We’re the same race, for heaven’s sake.
Same religion. The alternative - we have it already: the country’s stuffed full of foreigners, and managed by foreign oligarchs. We can’t even produce our own national football team.

Europe just might be able to blow on our dying embers.

We liberated Europe in 1945. What a sad spectacle we’ve become. By what devious routes did we get here? And we want to keep the same, spongey nonentities in government over us?

You think you’d feel helpless under European rule. How do you feel right now? You fear that once in Europe it would be impossible to ‘pull out’. What can you ‘pull out’ of now? I do wonder if the animus against Europe is so strong because it is tangible. The little kingdom we live in has become intangible, confused, lost. We can’t ‘pull out’ because we don’t
know where we are or where we’d go. This existential fear is perhaps some explanation for the very limited success of the BNP.

A Nationalist government in the UK is a real possibility, if we join with our European compatriots.

Don’t let’s fall into the liberal error of confusing friends with enemies: I know where my friends are, and where my enemies are coming from.

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bamford - much of the hostility against the EU is because it was deliberately set up to operate in an anti-democratic way. If the EU argument is so good; the institution is so right for all the diverse cultures in Europe; it is being run by the finest minds in Europe; it is being run by the most honest and fair-minded politicians in Europe - then why are the politicians so afraid of putting it to the people to decide if they want it?
The truth is that the EU is not a great ideal, it is just a new and different system of government. At the moment it is being allowed to supersede older forms of government that had evolved over the centuries, paid for by the lives of many people who wanted democracy. The peoples of Europe have been betrayed. They were offered and promised an ideal, what they have is a sordid self-serving and self-perpetuating regime.- Ed