- John Bean

Even Moderate Muslims Do Not Respect Our Surrender


When we state in Identity that moderate Muslims in Britain do not support acts of terrorism either carried out or being plotted by extremist holders of their faith, then this is not word play to avoid prosecution . Islam has always been subject to an inner conflict between the ‘moderates’ and the extremists, but today it appears that the extremists, particularly those supporting Wahhabism, dominant in Saudi Arabia and the primary religious movement behind extremist Islam, have the upper hand.

It was not always like this. Whilst we would not go along with the picture painted by the BBC of a bucolic, tolerant medieval Spain under the rule of Islam, Christians were given some freedom under a late eight century caliph, himself a former Greek from Damascus who had been converted – presumably by the sword. Although this was soon to change under most future Muslim rulers. Then again we should not overlook that the Mughal ruler of India in the 16th century, Akbar the Great, distinguished himself from the slaughter and rapine inflicted upon the Hindu population by most of the other Muslim invaders by allowing all religions to practice freely, and he would enter into discussions with their representatives. Mark you, he was no pussy cat in dealing with anybody who stepped out of line.

In thinking of how we best express the nature of the threat that Islam poses to the West, and the undeniable fact that its Koran clearly states that it tolerates no other religion, I was impressed with a passage quoted on the BNP website by Karl Baxter (who was commenting upon my views on the London mayoral election). They were excerpts from
http://islam-watch.org/MuminSalih/Islam-west-will-lose.htm in an article by an Arab.
“Islam is currently passing through one of its most dynamic times since its rise fourteen hundred years ago. This dynamic period started long before 9/11 as a fierce struggle, mainly against the west, but also against any nation or group that dares to stand in its way. Most Muslims take this resurgence phase very seriously and consider it as a decisive battle between Islam and the Non-Islam, or the kufr, which Mohammed told them they would win. Even though the west, currently, is largely in denial about this makes no difference to the significance to the whole world…

“…It did not take more than one generation for the western nations, which emerged victorious after WWII, to lose their momentum and give up any hope of staying in the lead. I write this part of the article with Britain in mind because it seem to be leading the way.

“The decline of the west is mainly an endogenous problem that neither Islam nor any other external factors can be blamed for. But it is a disturbing observation that the west appears to be doomed with or without Islam, although Islam is taking advantage of the process and is working hard to speed it up. The Islamic predators look at the west as a helpless prey and are closing in waiting for the right moment to make a kill. They are hopeful to inherit the west without even having to fight for it, and they do not make a secret of it. A few years ago, colonel Ghaddafi said that Muslims couldn’t take Europe by force in the past, but now they will take it without force….

“…During the last war, the western nations performance was at its peak. People took no chances; they went through some rough times, suffered hardship, lost lives to secure a good future for their children and grand children. Those children and grand children are today’s westerners who have reaped the fruits of their grandfathers’ hard work. Today’s westerners enjoy a freedom and democracy that they never earned and seem to be reluctant to defend..

“…Instead, the west has opted to taking painkillers in the form of politically correct justifications prescribed to them… I am afraid that is a recipe for disaster.

“The western societies seem to have an inherent serious problem that makes the westerners turn against their own history, heritage, culture and all their past achievements. They happily declare their cultural surrender as they see everything coming from the outside as genuine and honest, and look down at their own as false and corrupt. They are so consumed with post imperial guilt that they are blinded to their countries’ virtues.”

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23 comments for “Even Moderate Muslims Do Not Respect Our Surrender”

  1. If only polititians would observe how islam originated – as a reaction to the multicultural, multireligeous, multiethinc middle east where there were warring factions, diverse doctrines, and political termoil and chaos – bit like the Europe of today. What idiotic eurocrats and all that serve them don’t realise is that they are creating fertile conditions for islam to flourish, conditions all too similar to how it began. About all islam did was plagiarise judeaism and Christianity, add a little extra misogyeny and violence, scrap iconography and replace it with patterns and doodles then impose it one everybody with excessive force.

    Posted by pat_riot | March 12, 2008, 4:23 pm
  2. In your last paragraph you say. The western societies turn against their own history. I believe this is inacurate. This is only small minority problem endemic in the chattering classes and marxist enemies of western society.
    If it were a cultural problem then all would be lost.The only problem facing the West in the laziness that is causing the west to allow immigration to solve the short term, but to increase the long term problem

    Posted by baz | March 12, 2008, 5:42 pm
  3. The British people will NEVER submit to a fictional god, who only exists in the minds of lunatics, (Get it, Lunar - Crescent Moon?..) and in a book which was collated, edited and written by a group of superstitious, primitive Arabs, who based their text on other EARLIER mythology. It may take a while to wake everybody up. I know how difficult it is to get out of bed, but wake we must, or we’ll die in our sleep!

    I think there used to be a cry… “No Surrender”? I’d better not say it too loud–people might wake up.

    Posted by paladin2 | March 12, 2008, 5:42 pm
  4. I bet they can’t believe their luck. For years Islamic armies have been unable to take Europe by force, but now thanks to the myopic policies of the liberal elite they don’t have to.

    If they say babies win wars then they’ve certainly got that bit sorted. Western civilisation has become complacent and on complacent societies liberalism thrives. Any fool will realise that liberalism is national immolation by any other name. The last paragraph says it all. The best recruiting slogan imaginable uttered by a sworn enemy! It would be comedic if it wasn’t so sad and so very true.

    Do they realise they’re giving up the greatest nation the world has ever known, fought for by men with more courage than they can imagine, without so much as a wimper?

    You can be a critical friend as often as not but in the end you have to choose which side you’re on. Those that don’t end up the biggest villains of all.

    Posted by the likes of us | March 12, 2008, 5:53 pm
  5. The serious problem has nothing to do with post-imperial guilt. The Swedes, Norwegians, Danes and Finns are all in the same situation and they aren’t known for their imperialism. Is is, however, everything to do with Marxism and its deliberate attack upon the whole west but especially white, Judeo-Christian values and traditions that once made the west such an advanced society.

    PC, the EU, mass immigration, equality, positive discrimination, rise of Islam in the west and global capitalism all stem from this evil ideology.

    Posted by Christopher James | March 12, 2008, 5:55 pm
  6. Do you notice now how we are referred to in a great many debates on immigration etc as “white British” rather than the indigenous population or English.

    The inference of course is to give the impression that we have only recently blown in to these islands with the rest of the bleeding world over the past 40 years ! - and of course have no more claim to our country than anyone else.

    Posted by Guy Gibson | March 12, 2008, 6:47 pm
  7. This is a depressingly accurate article.

    My son says western society is like a person whose immune system has ceased to function. He says western society has become unable to recognise the forces that are weakening it and that, if unchecked, this will lead to its death. I think he’s right. Political Correctness Disease (I call it PCD) is like AIDS - it’s destroying western civilisation in the same way as AIDS leads to the death of individual people.

    America’s immune system is only slightly less compromised by PCD than those of western European countries.

    The only major countries with really healthy political immune systems - i.e. not yet infected with PCD - seem, for now, to be Russia, Japan and China.

    Is there a vaccine? The only one that I know of in Britain is the BNP.

    Posted by Herbert Thornton | March 12, 2008, 6:47 pm
  8. Not to fear if, like me you are an atheist, lack empathy and believe that the Pax Romana was a good thing and fully justified in removing both Carthage and Judea, and of course its human populations. The Russian Federation got it right over Chechnaya and the Serbs should be set off the leash regarding Kosova, and the American politician who refers to the Iranians as ants has got it right in one.

    Posted by apphillips | March 12, 2008, 7:02 pm
  9. There is a bit of a misconception here, it is only the politically correct dupes who appear to have surrendered. More and more British working class people are opening their eyes to the facts behind the triple threat Britain is facing. The threat I refare to is the EUSSR, the PC fifth column and Islamic Facism. Take a look at some of the message boards of the non pollitically aligned online newspapers, if you want to gauge the mood of the indiginous British public. The Biggest problem is that many people still believe that the BNP has facist and racist tendencies but that is slowly changing as more people turn to you out of desperation. We are only just starting to fight, just wait till we really get going.
    Never give up, never surrender.

    Posted by Bigglez | March 12, 2008, 8:14 pm
  10. The trouble with the west is that a certain few found that they can run amok in the rust by tucking a black under one arm and a brown under the other, and then shout “RACIST” at the top of their voice to anyone who stands in their way.

    The big trouble for us is that few are now doing the bidding of what were foreign pawns.

    Fortunately for us the impenetrable “racist” barrier is now starting to fall apart. We must learn and develop good arguments and find our own words of war to rally under which the PC worm tongues will fall foul of. Any ideas?

    Posted by noImmigration | March 12, 2008, 9:27 pm
  11. In discussing the Salamis it should be recognised that the moderate Salamis operate to provide cover,due to their vast numbers, for the extreme Salamis. It should also be recognised that, on the one hand, many moderate Salamis don’t know what is in the Koran, as they do not understand Arabic! It is,on the other hand, the extremists who are knowledgeable about the Koran, to the extent of being brainwashed.

    The problem with the West is we no longer believe in anything but personal indulgence, which is scarcely a unifying ideal.

    Posted by Ragnar | March 12, 2008, 9:39 pm
  12. Letting in hard-working, fast-multiplying minorities to solve labour problems is akin to sex in the bath - it sounds great but just isn’t practical.

    I had a good friend in the TA who was a moderate Muslim. Once, we were driving up North for training and were both looking out at the stunning scenery. ‘It’s stupid having all these immigration laws’, he said suddenly, ‘there’s lots of space’..

    Posted by mat-the-nat | March 12, 2008, 10:01 pm
  13. There is no such thing as moderate Islam.

    “The Koran is Allah’s final word and cannot be changed or challenged. To do so is punishable by death. Consequently, the Death Cult can never change or be reformed. The instructions to murder and rape infidels are just as valid now as the day they were written. Since Islam cannot be modernised, the Muslims are attempting to Islamise modernity. This requires spreading Islam in the West and simultaneously preventing any criticism of the cult by intimidation and PC legislation to curtail freedom of expression…. Muslims living in Dar-al-Harb [The West] must work to disrupt their host nations until these can be brought into Dar-al-Islam.” …. from ‘20 Essential facts about Islam’ (well worth a read if you want to get up to speed on the Muslim Menace ASAP) at http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2006/11/20-things-you-should-know-about-islam.html

    Therefore a Muslim who gives the appearance of moderation is either

    (1) Lapsed, lax or ignorant about his ‘religion’ and its observance (i.e. he’s a Muslim in the same way that I’m Church of England). Of course at any moment he could rediscover his ancestral faith and make up for lost time by going into SJS mode.

    (2) A would-be apostate who is repulsed by the barbarity of his ‘religion’ but daren’t openly leave it (eg the Sufis in formerly Buddhist countries which have been overrun by Muslims, who pay lip-service to Islam but in fact secretly practise a disguised form of Buddhism)

    (3) A genuine Muslim who is using taqiyya (holy deception) to lull the gullible kuffars into a false sense of security. This kind of Muslim typically quotes peaceful fluffy verses from the early part of the Koran (Meccan), which he knows to have been ‘abrogated’ by the violent later Medinan verses. Such taqiyya-merchants quote a load of kumbaya like ‘No compulsion in religion’ in the full hypocritical knowledge that it has been abrogated by numerous aggressive commands such as “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.”

    There’s more on the two BIG LIES of Muslim propaganda - Abrogation and Taqiyya - at http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2007/11/taqiyya-lies-and-muslim-propagana.html

    Posted by Artorius | March 12, 2008, 10:36 pm
  14. Have you realised how everything we do against the encroachments of Islam is defensive?

    Maybe we ought to attack and go on the ideological offensive, as recommended by our American cousins…

    From http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html

    Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a “war” against the “false religion” of Islam with the aim of destroying it.

    Over to you, Rev Rowan Williams.

    Posted by Artorius | March 12, 2008, 11:34 pm
  15. And here’s another one who is no longer afraid to name the enemy and recommend ideological attack as the best form of defence:

    ‘It’s time to take a stand against Islam and Sharia’

    Picture this, says Maryam Namazie: “A child is swathed in cloth from head to toe every day. Everything but her face and hands are covered for fear that a man might find her attractive. At school she learns that she is worth less than a boy. She is not allowed to dance or swim or feel the sun on her skin or the wind in her hair. This is clearly unacceptable, yet it is accepted when it is done in the name of religion.”

    …. It takes nerve to start an organisation for people who have rejected Islam. In Islamic law, apostasy is punishable by death. Namazie receives periodic threats, usually on her mobile phone: “One said, ‘You are going to be decapitated’

    Kumbaya, Archbishop?

    Posted by Artorius | March 12, 2008, 11:43 pm
  16. Posted by Artorius | March 12, 2008, 11:46 pm
  17. Interesting Article. There have been divides in all religions/faiths. Christianity - Northern Ireland, Islam - well we know about that. I dont hate muslims, because not all muslims are evil. However, I do not trust them. I just hope that the BNP gets in, and strengthens our Armed Forces. You are going to need us (yes I am a soldier (part-time)).

    Posted by falcons1988 | March 13, 2008, 12:09 am
  18. Seems like our ZOG friends have been pulling Gord’s strings as they hoover up anything that’s not nailed down, or, for that matter is nailed down.

    Posted by Godblessenoch | March 13, 2008, 12:11 am
  19. It’s hard to disagree with that Arab, an alien though he may be…

    Things for the West are bound to get worse before they get better. But these difficulties are only for our benefit. Without them the West would not be stirred to address its own weaknesses.

    Posted by Weythran | March 13, 2008, 2:16 am
  20. Firstly, let me congratulate John Bean on an accurate critique of the situation that we in the West find ourselves viz-a-viz; Islam.

    The current prognosis is not favourable and our survival of the onslaught of the Muslim hordes is not assured and indeed can never be assured until Islam is finally defeated by the realisation within its own ranks that god or Allah is no more valid than were the gods of the Greek or Roman civilisations.

    If we are to survive it will require new leadership diametrically opposed to the Marxist, PC claptrap or the multi-culti liberal-left variety of today’s discredited government, nor the nonsense of appeasement coming out of Lambeth Palace.

    I would like to think that the BNP could provide such leadership but as at least one of your contributors correctly alluded the BNP is still tainted with baggage from the past and while great strides have been made and will continue to be made, thanks to the foresight of Nick Griffin, the party is still some way off the “tipping point”.

    Posted by Scorpio | March 13, 2008, 4:20 am
  21. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, moderate Muslim is an oxymoron. All have signed up to the agenda of Islam for world domination of mankind.

    Every Muslim is a foot soldier, every mosque a fortress.

    We either fight this evil or die; these are the only two choices.

    Posted by Ancient Briton | March 13, 2008, 8:50 am
  22. The Birmingham Central Mosque is the second oldest in Britain and one of the largest in Europe, so it presumably accurately reflects mainsteam Muslim thinking. If you check out their website, most of it’s harmless and probably similar to any other religious institution. But if you look at their magazine ‘Dawn’ Sept 2004 which gives their reaction to 9/11–the bit frankly that most non-Muslims are really concerned in knowing about–it condemns the attack unreservedly and repeatedly, but then goes onto say you’d be “extremely naive” to think Bin Laden was behind it and hinted that Al Quaeda didn’t even exist. It implied it was a plot against Muslims. It helpfully suggested a few more likely candidates behind it: the EU, CIA and Christian fundamentalists. In short: ‘it wasn’t Muslims.’ There are plenty of wild conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 and this is just one more, but it’s scary that this reality-denial is the considered, mainstream thinking of the Muslim community. Then I thought, but wasn’t that exactly the immediate Muslim reaction to 7/7? ‘It wasn’t us’ and ‘wouldn’t be surprised if MI5 had a hand in it’ and even when suspects were named, ‘couldn’t have been him, he was a good Muslim,’ right up to the moment where the pre-recorded suicide videos were shown. There seems to be an alarming level of ‘Al Fayed logic’ in the Muslim community. The parts of the Quran that cover reasoning must say something like: ‘if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck, unless it being a duck would be against Muslim interests, in which case it’s definitely not a duck, in fact it’s part of an Infidel water-fowl conspiracy against Muslims.’

    Posted by Tytoalba | March 13, 2008, 11:20 am
  23. I believe that the number of “-isms” that there are to describe British people’s political beliefs or affiliations have only been created to divide us into smaller groups of people who can no longer see eye-to-eye in the collaborative sense of identity and common thought processes once held by the British people. This has all happened before, in ancient Greece, Egypt and Rome, etc.–once-great empires who have conquered all in their path, then given liberal freedoms of equality to all. Perhaps the only way to describe what I am saying is through one phrase: “…the Egyptians, Greeks and Romans were as white as indigenous Brits.” The problem is now that Christianity and Western civilisation are morally and spiritually weak. I think this conflict between the Christians and the Muslims is a perpetual one throughout history, the biggest difference now in the 21st century is the creation of the state of Israel and the manipulation of Europe and America in supporting it. It seems that Israel’s problems are now everyone’s problems. I believe that the only way to counteract our problems is to re-create the common thought processes of indigenous Brits, and that I believe that the BNP are starting to achieve that.

    Posted by paul23bc | March 13, 2008, 4:55 pm

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