And just ONE of the reasons why manufacturers can’t afford to be in this country any more are the massive taxes that New Labour has saddled everyone with! Another reason is the £BILLIONS that mountains of red tape and bureaucracy is costing manufacturers. NuLab doesn’t have a clue about PRODUCING wealth, all it knows how to do is spend it. A sure and certain recipe for disaster!

Shocking news, but not really surprising given the current state of “leadership” we’re landed with. What are we left with now? Morgan, Bristol and a handful of “garden shed” kit car companies. Brunel, Stephenson, Trevithick and the hundreds of other British engineering pioneers must be spinning in their graves - Obviously on perfectly designed, built to last rotating systems! British pride must start with British control and ownership.

Sadly ironic. A trade union welcoming a deal that will certainly lead to mass unemployment for their members.
Also ironic that as mentioned in the article, a failing bank, can be bailed out to the tune of £30 Billion in taxpayers cash, yet 2 world class marques, once the pride of British car manufacturing are not worth £1 Billion.
The rot of Britain’s once proud industry started under Thatcher, and the “service based economy” myth has been continued by Nu-Lab.
The truth is the Lib,Lab,Con merchants will continue to sell this country down the river till they are replaced with a government that puts BRITAIN First. They will oversee the destruction of yet more industry, our armed forces, and ultimately reduce us to a bankrupt, toothless state, which will probably end up an Islamic state at that!
We need to stop this happening, we need to get our Country back from the brink of destruction.

I drive past the Halewood factory each day on my way to work and see there the lined-up rows of brand new Freelander models awaiting delivery to their proud new owners.What a great shame it will be if (or when) the foreign owner decides that this massive employer should be shut down and the jobs transferred to the far east, and all for the want of a (comparatively) meagre sum of £1billion.SHAME on the lib/lab/conmen. -vote BNP

McBroon gives India ,was it £700 million pounds. And we can not even afford to run our own car company, but India can. Maybe we should in future should look to India for a few free hand outs! The poor Indians now control the worlds steel companies and live in the UK Tax free. Something is radically wrong. And thats this government.
I am writing this on the day the French President is meeting McBroon. McBroon is known for wanting to impress people or is it that he is weak. I bet he gives in on something to do with the EU when he meets today.

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Makes you wonder about that £700 million pounds in “aid”.
Perhaps it was closer to the £1billion pounds paid for Jaguar? Hmmm ….. ?
“Every little helps”, as they say ………….. - Ed

I notice that Tata are saying that there will be no job losses ‘until 2011′. So you just know what is coming.

In 3 years time Tata will move the whole lot to India where production costs are a fraction of what they are here. Faced with the shortfall in the employee’s pension scheme they will take the ‘business decision’ that this is the ‘fairest’ way forward for two ‘iconic British Brands’.

Labour have also saddled the next government with a potentially embarrassing situation. Where was Halewood’s Labour MP, Maria Eagle, or Lorely Burt, the LibDem MP?

Another death knell for British manufacturing

I have just returned from spending the morning putting nearly 500 Solidarity Trade Union Leaflets through letter boxes and speaking to the odd thoroughly fed up person on route. Only to find this news up on here afterwards!

However too many folk still have their heads in the sand so I will be pleased if just one more new member comes from my leafleting. That will be one more than before and one more joining the Quiet Revolution.

A good example of the evils of globalism. A country like Britain, through the hard work of its people over the centuries, builds up a decent standard of living. Then one day the whole apple cart is upturned when some capitalist decides to make products in another country which is known for abject poverty. So the jobs move overseas and the workers’ standard of living in Britain is put at risk.

British workers should not have to compete with workers in one of the world’s poorest countries.

I think if Winston Churchill were still alive he would have undoubtedly voted BNP. He would, in all probability, have changed his famous saying to something more suitable for todays climate, like “NEVER HAVE SO MANY BEEN ROBBED AND DECEIVED BY SO FEW!!”

It would be nice to hear a lot more about the feelings of our Scottish friends and neighbours. Mr Brown is clearly pulling the strings of our new darling chancellor as well as having the role as PM (post mortem for everybody else in his case). How many of you have completely dis-owned him??

Andy K - West Yorks

After 2011 it won’t be worth buying a Land Rover anyway. The things will be built in India with about the same standard of construction as a Bollywood movie set. The first big bump you hit and it will disintegrate into a pile of recycled junk. The once world leader in off road vehicles will be no more. On a more serious thought, the British Army relies on these things as its main troop transport. So now we are in the hands of a third world power for the supply of spares and new vehicles for our military. Was this the REAL leftist agenda for allowing the sale? Yet another way for the traitors to cripple our armed forces?

Lets be slightly more objective.

The real reason why the government havent nationalized Ford and LandRover is because they simply couldnt afford to if they wanted to anymore. The last time I read they had gotten the UK into some 500 billion in debt since taking over the torries (something that wont fit in the shredder very easily). Many experts say its far worse than that, and with interest. This is the reason why they only sell. Our financial “wiz-kid”, Mr Brown is dangling on the edge of a rope all the time. What will happen if these debters all start screaming very loudly at once ? e.g. “You cant spend that ammount. You alleady owe us at least ….” More importantly what would happen if they could be made to scream very loudly at once I wonder ? In short, New Labour/this country owes an awfull lot, an awfull lot. Looking at things from a slightly different angle. Lets ask ourselves how much are we in debt to countries such as India ??? Is Brown trading every aspect of us off to them and the rest of the world because we owe them ??? Is he giving India 800 million towards education,or does he owe them that as well ? We all know India isnt a poor country. It amazes me how he has the nerve to stand up in the commons and claim that he does everything for the benefit of the economy. What economy ? We dont have one (its false), and its becoming obvious that blasting a billion away in one foul swoop is out of his reach …. especially when their are more important things to consider like the Olympic Village.

One day the real truth will come out Mr Brown.

Andy K

Call me an old cynic. but hasn’t it always been the case that when the prols start to get the hands on a bit of their creative wealth. The rich and powerful change the rules Sending kids up the chimney doesn’t work any more, so send the chimney half way round the world instead.
But the most important feature of this transaction is the complicity of the unions. This is the greatest scandal of the whole episode. Turkeys voting for Christmas. They the so called union bosses should hang their heads in shame.
Every sane blue and white collar worker in this country should resign their membership and maybe join a real workers union asap “SOLIDARITY”, If not it will not only be Ta Ta to car workers livings, but Ta Ta to your jobs as well.

I have to disagree with the article. Tata have a reputation of NOT interfering with the management and running of companies. You only have to look at their hands-off approach at Corus (British Steel) and Tetley Tea. No job losses at all.

Tata also have deep pockets to invest IN Jaguar and Land Rover. They are also not stupid. They are not about to spend a billion quid to have it go up in smoke. Anyone realizes that consumers won’t accept Jags and Land Rovers made in India.

Tata have a partnership with Fiat and have done engineering work FOR Porsche and Volkswagen. Coupled with their strong links with Warwick University, Tata will probably CREATE jobs in UK. The article is scaremongering and nothing else. All-in-all, the future looks bright for Jaguar and Land Rover. They’ll make it the success that Ford’s billions and experience couldn’t.

Tata are not a Mickey Mouse company…

Tata Motors and Incat are arms of the Tata Group, a conglomerate that employs 289,500 people worldwide, does business in more than 80 countries and accounts for 3.2% of India’s gross domestic product. The group has 19,500 North American workers.

The company is listed on the New York Stock Exchange and traces its origins to 1868, when Jamsetji Tata opened a trading company. He moved on to manufacturing, opening a textile factory in central India in 1874 and a steel company in 1907.

Tata’s businesses include Tata Motors, the largest Indian manufacturer of cars and commercial vehicles; Tata Steel, one of the world’s biggest steelmakers; information technology services whose jobs include running Chrysler LLC’s dealer Web sites, and luxury hotels including the Pierre overlooking Central Park in New York City.

Surely this is just another kick in the teeth for everything that we think of as BRITISH. It’s this appalling ‘governments’ way of destroying everything that we Brits hold dear to us. Soon we will have nothing left to be proud of and that’s what these Marxists want! They are bringing our great Jags and Landrovers down to the level of the banana state that is to make them!

Everyday brings us more reasons to hate this corrupt administration. The day cannot come soon enough when we can make the change at the ballot box.

Britain is too interested in trying to play the nice guy alongside the policeman of the world (US). The nice guy syndrome started with Blair. They hand out billions in aid to other countries but don’t bat an eye lid to help their own people. More job losses will put more working men and women on the benefit system. These people are used to working; they are used to a good wage and a good lifestyle. Perhaps good old Britain will up their benefits so they can live in the manner they’ve become accustomed to. Perhaps some of the billions in aid will stay in Britain–supposedly ranking highest for child poverty, and apparently the most badly behaved kids in the ‘world!’ Then again, maybe the nice MPs will take a cut in their allowances so the jobless can get a bit extra in their pockets when they line up with their hands out.

Yet more evidence of this country’s decline to the status of a third world country. Sickeningly, the further down we slide, the more conceited and swaggering our politicians become. This government has always regarded manufacturing industry as something old fashioned and embarrassing. Manufacturing was, of course, what gave Britain it’s economic strength. You cannot run an economy on coffee shop chains, estate agents and borrowing against inflated house prices. You have to actually produce something; and in the case of Land Rover we produced something people wanted. Now we have given it away - to the Indians.

This severe blow to our people is a further illustration of the indisputable treason of the politico-financial classes who have all but trashed our country. When it came to doling £100 billion of loans and guarantees to bail out a reckless money-lender, and the City institutions behind it, there was no problem at all, the money was there on tap. But when it comes to the rescue of a precious manufacturing asset, which produces tangible product essential to the economic future of our people, a paltry £1 billions cannot be found either by the government, or by the City, to restore it to British ownership.

A spokesman for the Engineering Employers Federation said on Radio 4 this morning that most of what investment there is in British manufacturing comes from retained profits. But this is quite hopeless and the road to oblivion. The purpose of a financial system should be the provision of long-term funds, share and debt capital, to productive industry. This of course is the reverse of what we have got where greed-crazed financial speculation and reckless money-lending rules, “secured” by complex financial instruments whose “worth” we now all see is just junk. And investment essential to the life of the nation is nowhere. Of course they have put up a smokescreen, they’re all “globalists” now. This is simply a fancy term for a glorified spiv.

The editor of this site was kind enough to elevate one of my posts to “Comment of the Month”. One of the observations I had made was as follows: “Above all what we need is to tame the insolence of the City of London and bring them to heel, to make them serve the nation, not to rip us off and ruin us as they have been doing these many decades.” If the nation is to survive there must be a BNP government and a speedy reckoning with these people, there is no other way. The thousands of workers who depend upon Land Rover and Jaguar should appreciate that the clock is ticking for them now.

“Do not ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee,” said the English poet, John Donne.

I visited an American Land Rover garage, when renting a car in the USA, it made me proud, because the inside had British Union flags, old pictures of the Army in the very first Land Rovers and it was all tastefully done. Even though Ford owned the brand I liked to still think of it as British.

I wonder how Tata will protect these British brands? I bet they’ll eventually close plants like Halewood and ship jobs overseas.

A simplistic message is bring back our manufacturing base. Re-nationalise utilities. Regain Britain’s heritage. Everything that is good about Britain is being sold.

The bigger issue in my mind is the betrayal of the working class by the political and business elites. Working men and women built Britain and distinguished it economically by their industry from places like India. I have nothing against India or Indians, but the fact is that their history was, at least until recently, not one of industrialisation. So the good efforts of the British workers led to a reasonable standard of living for them and their families. An economic system was evident: cars were built in Britain that Britons could afford. Everyone was satisfied. Now, those and similar jobs are shipped to poorer countries. What is the modern British worker supposed to do? I see this as a betrayal and abandonment of the working man. Collectively the working class has gone well beyond its obligations. It provided the cannon fodder for two world wars. It allowed a privileged class to live in the lap of relative luxury. It was ignored as massive numbers of people from alien cultures were moved into its neighbourhoods. And how those neighbourhoods have changed! Now its very means of livelihood is threated, and by the elite it supported. A working man in the post-war era was proud to have a job and the means to provide for his family. Now, he’s told his job is going abroad. It’s a betrayal and the day will come when the working man will say “No More!”.

Enoch Powell was right.

It is nice that contrary opinions are aired on this site like those of rodpolisher (Now that makes my imagination go into overtime). The trouble with his point that TATA are a good employer misses the point.

ONE, If Jaguar and Landrover are a good product there should be money in this country investing. The fact that it isn’t is that our banks would rather invest in dodgy mortgages.

TWO, the most important fact is that when a foreign company investing in Britain hits a downturn or slump, the first casualty is their foreign holdings. This is just human nature. Ford has problems at home goodbye Dagenham. When Britain had a very healthy economy it was because Britain owned the industries. It wasn’t perfect, but safe.

Baz, rodpolisher is one of the more polite nicknames my mates call me! I too am pleased that my dissenting opinion was allowed to be aired and it shows the maturity of the debate at bnp.org.uk. In an ideal world, Britain should not have to be selling off its family silver–particularly in manufacturing. We are all told to care about the environment. Well, why are we buying tat from China when we could buy locally-produced stuff??? I have strong ties to the car industry. Both the management of Jag and the trade unions wanted Tata. The other bidders were Mahindra (another smaller Indian car company) and a venture capital or hedge fund called Cerberus (if memory serves correctly). Cerberus would’ve asset-stripped the companies and nicked the pensions a la Robert Maxwell. One of the problems with the British car industry–and more so the American–is that a lot of things were driven by short-term shareholder interests, i.e., dividends. The Japanese and to a lesser extent the Indians take a long term approach. Short-term profits are nice, but long-term market share is what is important. I will eat my hat if Tata don’t make a success of Jag / LR. A telling statistic is that Tata are 3.2% of India’s GDP. That is going to exceed all but the US, China and maybe Japan. I think Tata are a safe pair of hands.

The rot in British industry most definitely did NOT start under Margaret Thatcher, it started in the 50s and 60s, grew throughout the 70s, culminating in the 80s and 90s. All our industry was gradually infiltrated and then rapidly destroyed by an army of malign, secret marxists, and their gullible, useful-idiot followers who became militant in the trade union movement. It spread like a bush-fire but was fanned and fueled from above.
Super wealthy puppet-masters were behind all of it and have engineered our current problems, mad though it may seem. None of this has been accidental even though it appears to be total chaos. Most people find it hard to comprehend that there is a plan behind it all. However there is, it started many years ago and continues now, overseen by the newer generations of the privileged families who originally sought our demise. Jaguar and Land Rover are the two latest casualties and I believe no good will come from this for Britain.
Our tremendous power, strength and skill was intended to be destroyed and we have not prevented it,yet!
I am currently studying all of this and desperately trying to educate myself. It is incredibly complicated and very disturbing.
The most important thing though is what happens next! But in order to do the right thing and make the right decisions for the future of Great Britain,we have to clearly understand how things have gone wrong in the past to ensure that we learn from our many mistakes. It has been total cross-party sabotage and the root of the problem is much more than 30 years old!

It seems to me that the BNP’s economic policies may possibly be it’s achilles heel. Nationalising Jaguar would be catastrophic. Think back to British Leyland and all the other state owned companies that were in such a mess in the 70’s. Who decides how much tax payers money should be spent on research and development? Politicians? I’m no fan of globalisation and I’d like to see us retain as much of our industry as possible but there has to be other and better ways. There must be other methods that can be explored that encourage and assist British companies.

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The BNP’s version of nationalisation is neither that of the present liblabcon, nor of the union wreckers of the ’70s. - Ed

Having spoken to many a business owner, and other people who can afford Jaguars this last year, the potential ‘’sale” of Jaguar was a hot topic. I visit many people through my involvement in the quality wine business, and many will no longer buy a car that is owned by an Asian business. I am one of them, and will if possible, now put my money in the pockets of my Swedish, German, or Italian brothers. After all, why should I or anyone else, pretend there is not an ”ethnic cleansing” agenda going on? Some might even say there is a race war, what with London police under Livingston, not training white recruits for two years to get more ethnic in. From now on, I’m buying white.

“It seems to me that the BNP’s economic policies may possibly be it’s achilles heel. Nationalising Jaguar would be catastrophic. Think back to British Leyland and all the other state owned companies that were in such a mess in the 70’s………”

A nationalist government must sort these people out.

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Excellent piece! - Ed

Filling their boots -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=547188&in_page_id=1770

All part of the One-Worlders’ plans to destroy the strong nations and make those left weak & interdependent on each other, all ruled over by the Global Elite.
Rockefeller once said, “People say I am part of a secret cabal, undermining sovereign nations, creating a one-world dictatorship. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty as charged.”

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/250907NWOquotes.htm
and
http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/rockefeller_admitted_elite_goal_microchipped_population.htm

“The rot of Britain’s once proud industry started under Thatcher..”

No it didn’t. Remember the shenanigans surrounding the building of the QE2 at John Brown? Or some of the complete lemons produced by the car industry in the 1970s (Allegro, for instance)?

If rodpollisher is right, then we have nothing to worry about, but as I have offered before, I wager £100 to party funds if Tata doesn’t move Jaguar and Landrover production to India in the next 10 years, I sincerely hope I have to pay the wager. On another matter concerning this takeover, I think privateisation in this particular instance would be folly, however some kind of assurance should be made legal and binding on foreign investors.

These Sell-offs are to destroy Great Britain, along with the destruction of our Farming to Make us Dependant, Presumably on the EU where the Balance of Power will be, presumably our traitorous Establishment will by then have moved out to EuroLand and live in Protected Mansions. We Only have a few years to stop this. Surely Our Generals know what is going on. The aim of mass immigration is to divide and rule us. If I know, then they Must.

I won’t say specifically what I think they should do but it would involve a flight of RAF Tornadoes configured for ground attack at Prime Ministers Question time. Can I say that Ed ?

Of course, since we know you’re just kidding ……….. just :-) - Ed

I was working at fords when we lost/15000 jobs Tony Woodley I think was head oF the TGWU with Bill morris *I think thats Correct /They did Naff all/We wanted to Support the coal minors We were refused a vote to support the coal minors and had to stand by as Thatcher and the MEDIA crushed them so much for these unions.. Now we paid£870 million to India in aid last year (Nuclear power)that money could have bought back jag and Rover/we pay similar amounts To other countries +£1-500.000 into the eu ever hour of every day ..We pay millions to so called asylum seekers coming to Soft tuch britain/ They cost us millions on the NHS were they have no rite to be they should go private//lots of them have Mercs and BMW with large houses paid for by us BNP 4me

“however some kind of assurance should be made legal and binding on foreign investors.” illigitimus

Any such assurance will not be worth the paper that it is written on. We should be absolutely firm upon this point. Without British ownership of the manufacturing assets in our country British nationalism will be an empty vessel, a mere shadow, a house made of straw. We must have the control of the technology, we must have the profits retained in our country.

There is a lot of defeatism about, and this comes down to the lies spread by the Old Gang and their financial string-pullers. In order to justify their nefarious short-term speculating excuse for an economy they have fostered the myth that British owned manufacturing cannot succeed, and they have done this by puffing up a folk-devil in the shape of “Red Robbo” and similar agitators. Now it is true that “Red Robbo” & Co were damaging but they were a symptom, rather than a cause. The French have a very fine car industry, we have none - and yet the French were at least as much afflicted by communist trade union activity as we were. Many foreign manufacturing companies operate here, what the Germans have done with our Mini is a salutary and frankly painful example. The reason for our native industrial demise lies in the toxic political-financial elite which, as I remarked above, is rotten to the core.

Indeed the wonder is not that we have experienced such rapid decline but rather that our indigenous large-scale manufacturing firms lasted as long as they did. On this thread it is said that BNP economic policy is the party’s “Achilles heel”. This is the very reverse of the case, for it will in fact prove an ace card when the time comes to play it. Liberal economics is the millstone hanging round the Old Gang’s neck, and it is going to send then where they belong, straight down to Davy Jones’ Locker.

The Rover marque and badge was sold to Ford after the collapse of MG Rover in order to unite it with Land Rover. Can anybody confirm if Ford has sold the Rover marque to Tata along with Land Rover. If Tata now has the Rover marque then they will probably resurrect it in India.

Are your horns burning? Will Hutton in The Observer writes Let’s get over our silly fears of public ownership
Why not submit your article to them?