Russia could use force over Kosovo
The blood thirsty warmongers of Washington, along with the self serving bureaucrats, and politicians of Brussels, and elsewhere, have now brought us closer to the brink of a major conflict, centred upon the Balkans, than at any time since the days of the cold war!
Here are two reports, one from the ‘AFP news agency’, and one from ‘Russia Today‘ that make this all too clear!
NATO envoy warns Russia could use force over Kosovo: report
MOSCOW (AFP)–Russia could resort to “brute force” if NATO or the European Union defy the U.N. on Kosovo, Moscow’s envoy to the military alliance said Friday, Interfax news agency reported.
Dmitry Rogozin
“If the European Union works out a common position, or if NATO breaches its mandate in Kosovo, these organizations will be in conflict with the United Nations,” Dmitry Rogozin said in a video link-up from Brussels.
“We too will have to proceed from the view that in order to be respected we must use brute force, in other words armed force.”
Russia’s “brute force” is ready: Moscow’s NATO envoy
The significance of Kosovo’s independence has gone beyond the diplomatic sphere - that’s the message from Russia’s envoy to NATO Dmitry Rogozin. In a world where the principle ‘he who has the power, has the right’ rules, Russia has “the brute force” necessary to protect its interests.
“Those states that supported Pristina find that they are making up an absolute minority. That means that today the European Union, if its members find common ground, and NATO, if it oversteps the bounds of its mandate, both will enter a conflict with the United Nations. And this is serious,” he said.
With the authority of the United Nations undermined, there is no strict and universal international law to safeguard global security, the Russian official believes.
“This is not only between Russia and NATO.This is a conflict of the whole system of international security. This is not a diplomatic, but a political issue. An issue of the future, about whether there are any proprieties in interstate relations or that one can follow the policy of ‘he who has the power has the right,” he said.
In this new world Russia has to rely on force to protect itself, Rogozin believes.
“Then it has its own conclusions for Russia. We too would understand that we need brutal physical force to make sure we are respected, understood and that others acknowledge our right to our own point of view - and the name of that force is military force,” he said.
Dmitry Rogozin was quick to qualify his words on the use of military force, saying it would only be used to protect direct national interests.
“Obviously, Russia will not take part in any kind of military operations in Kosovo, in the Balkans or outside its borders in general. Russia has enough political and moral authority to defend international law, and that’s what it’s doing. But when the issue touches its own national interests, its borders and attempts to repeat the Kosovo scenario on Russian territory, it will defend not only international law, but also its own sovereignty,” Rogozin said.
http://www.russiatoday.ru/news/news/21258
The burning of the American Embassy, much criticised in the presson Thursday/Friday, could soon be an utter irrelevance.
When, oh when, is someone in a position of authority going to say enough is enough - No more British blood must be spilled in other peoples wars. Nor to aid the appeasement of Islamic advancement!
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World War 3 is just around the corner
i can say im with the Russians on this.
We forget - at our peril - that the First World War kicked off over an event far less serious than the theft of a Serbian province - the assassination of a single individual. In the words of Oliver Hardy - “this is a fine mess you’ve gotten us into Stanley” - well done all you EU and US cretin politicians!
I think you should take a look at what this brave muslim woman has to say befor it is ‘pulled’
http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=nul
This should be broadcast on all the news channels,but I know it wont.
giffygray.
I tend to have Russia Today (516) as my default news channel these days. I refuse to watch BBC News 24 and Sky News has so many ads it is virtually unwatchable. I don’t wish to watch anything American so RT is pretty much all that’s left.
You just know this situation in Kosovo is going to ignite a major European war - which we are well overdue. The Serbians will fight and die to the last man and woman before they accept this US/EU/NATO led muslim hijacking of their spiritual homeland. Once again, the Americans are trying to throw their considerable weight around in someone elses’ country. There is no way KFOR/NATO will fight and die (for their cause?) like the Serbians will fight and die for their homeland. Have they learned nothing from Vietnam and Iraq?
Everyone seems to be itching for a fight at the moment and I do not think the Balkans (once again) is going to disappoint any of us who are just raring to get on with it.
Moscow’s stance over Kosovo is pure bluff and tailored for home consumption only.
Today, Russia is 18% Muslim; and it’s army is composed of about 25% Muslims, and rising fast.
They are not going to fight against their brothers-in-arms.
It’s all brinkmanship and designed to get at NATO and it’s supporters.
Giffygray, can’t get anything on that link, maybe it doesn’t like Firefox ?
Vey good and truthful clip giffygray,she does however state she is Agnostic not muslim .Might add that clip to other sites as its that truthful :)
Is this about an oil pipeline, or about the right of countries to exist? It beggars belief that the West should attempt to sign its own death warrant for the sake of some perceived convenience, riding roughshod over the dignity and independence of free human beings who are by nature on our own side!
Do Western leaders really expect the people and allies of a sovereign Christian nation, to simply accept amputation of their own country and its handover as the latest prize in the creeping Islamisation of Europe and the wider world? Can it really be the case, that Western leaders do not understand that they leave Serbia, and by extension Russia, with only one option?
Whatever way you look at it, there are some decidedly untrustworthy individuals pulling the strings of international politics. Either the U.S., Britain and the EU wake up to reality and do a very prompt u-turn, or we’re going to find ourselves fighting the very people with whom we should be presenting a united front in the face of the common threat.
Or is that the idea?
Kosovo belongs to the Serbs, if the Russians help them win it back good luck to them, god help us if it turns into war, guess who’s side we will be expected to fight on. If we had known the truth about Kosovo 10 years ago, public support in the UK would have been zero, like it is now. Serbians should do what they know is right, they have my total support.
“apendragon” has pretty much asked what I was about to.
Forgive my ignorance, but I can’t understand the politics behind why Russia cares about this.
And what exactly is the reason for the West allowing Islam to pillage Kosovo? Purely economic?
It sounds to me like this could flick the switch for something really serious - i.e. some sort of nuclear conflict.
Any help much appreciated!
thanks
I do hope the UN comes to its senses and denounces the independent state of Kosovo as illegal as it should do. But then again as the saying goes pigs might just fly. Oh and I do agree with Russia’s stance on this and my heart goes out to all the Serbian people who have been betrayed by the UN over this serious issue. Let us hope and prey that conflict is avoided at all costs. The last thing we all need is another bloody war.
Russia can bring the EU into line simply by cutting the gas supply.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7240462.stm
BTW, I wonder if all those Muslims in the Stop the War Coalition will be just as keen to ‘bring the boys back home’ when they’re in Kosovo?
We should get out of Kosovo ASAP and allow the Red Army to solve the Muslim problem in the traditional Zaporozhye manner.
As Churchill said ““The Balkans produce more history than they can consume”
Another factor that will weaken EU resolve to fight the Russians over Kosovo is the pro-Serb sentiment in the French army. http://mprofaca.cro.net/frspynato.html
How right Winston is. The only thing is if we are dragged into a war which we will be, I for one would not fight for this country, not as it is. They would have to call up men to the military this would create a dilemma for the muslims who obviously would not go. If this treacherous government think that I would fight whilst muslims stay at home on religious grounds — think on. My war is and would be with this Stalinist government.
“Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand” (Matthew 12/25) Pretty much sums up the state of the EU itself as well as the multiethno-religious ‘utopia’ it wishes to make out of Europe. I just hope the crash happens sooner rather than later. Serbia suffered more destruction of religious artifacts under 5 years of NATO rule than 500 years of muslim Ottoman rule – what a disgrace. I’m sure those images of albanians waving British flags served not only to appease the islamic world but also to cause us Brits to feel further shame of our nationality – rather like killing 2 birds with one stone. Sickos.
Saint George, Russians and Serbians are fellow Slavs, and their nations are - to date - (Orthodox) Christian , not Muslim.
Russia unsurprisingly feels threatened not only by Islam, but also by the recent and insane expansionist policies of NATO, and interference by the arrogant, self-righteous EU.
Neither Serbia nor Russia wish to cede their own territory and spheres of influence, to what to them at least, appears to be an unholy alliance of International Marxism, Western imperialism, and Islam.
This situation exposes the West as divided against a common enemy, at the same time confronting both itself and those who should be its allies. The only winner is… Islam.
The same strategy would, given time, produce similar results here. That’s the plan. Russians don’t wish to be surrounded or taken over by Islam, any more than we do. So why the hell our own government rushes to be first in the queue to recognise the declaration of an illegal, Muslim state, is up to each person to work out.
The short answer to your question about the Russian attitude to the Kosovo crisis is: Self-preservation.
The last Europe:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3009
A question.
If it’s okay for muslims to support islamic insurgents in Afghanistan, is it okay for Christians to support Serbians in Kososvo?
Thanks very much apendragon for your help.
If one reads the BBC site about this exact same subject, they completely twist it to make it seem as though Serbs are at fault for ‘resisting independence’, or words to that effect.
Is it ok for Christians to support a party that stands up for them ???
Nope ,we cant stand up and say we are BNP members .At least those like myself who are employed by local councils.Where is the free speech ?.Unison and other trades unions come out with such pathetic attacks on any party that actually supports British members that they make you sick .They openly support multicultarism ,and yet the vast majority of their members hate the notion ,hate Immigrants ,but dont realise their weekly/monthly donations support it
Somewhere between 15% and 20% of the population of Russia is Muslim, and the percentage is increasing each year due to higher birth rates of Muslims compared with non-Muslims.
However, most Muslims in Russia are bona-fide white Russians as opposed to the majority of Muslims in western Europe which are immigrants and their descendants of non-European origin.
Russia could be the first major country to have a majority Muslim population simply as the result of internal demographics as opposed to immigration or large scale conversions.
Russia is near the frontlines of Islam. Like Serbia they know there are sides. Even after 9-11 Bush still does not know about the clash of civilizations. Western nations have no business funding Islamic states in their domain. If we do not awake to the simple culturist principles that diversity and competition exist as well as different sides in conflicts, we will be lost.
http://www.culturism.us
There was a similar standoff nine years ago when the Russians seized Pristina airport
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/671495.stm
“General Wesley Clark, Nato’s supreme commander, immediately ordered 500 British and French paratroopers to be put on standby to occupy the airport.
“I called the Nato Secretary General and told him what the circumstances were… he talked about what the risks were and what might happen if the Russians got there first, and he said: ‘Of course you have to get to the airport’.
“I said: ‘Do you consider I have the authority to do so?’ He said: ‘Of course you do, you have transfer of authority’.”
But General Clark’s plan was blocked by General Sir Mike Jackson, K-For’s British commander.
“I’m not going to start the Third World War for you,” he reportedly told General Clark during one heated exchange.
…The Russian advance party took the airport unopposed. The world watched nervously.
A senior Russian officer, General Leonid Ivashev, tells the BBC how the Russians had plans to fly in thousands of troops.
”Let’s just say that we had several airbases ready. We had battalions of paratroopers ready to leave within two hours,” he said.
Amid fears that Russian aircraft were heading for Pristina, General Clark planned to order British tanks and armoured cars to block the runways to prevent any transport planes from landing. General Clark said he believed it was ”an appropriate course of action”. But the plan was again vetoed by Britain. Instead, he asked neighbouring countries, including Hungary and Romania not to allow Russian aircraft to overfly their territory. ”
COMMENT - THEN AND NOW….
For the Russian Army to get to Serbia and thence Kosovo, it would have to pass through either Bulgaria or Romania.
Bulgaria has condemned Kosovan independence http://www.huliq.com/24603/bulgaria-kosovo-must-not-make-unilateral-declaration-of-independence as has Romania http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2006&mm=11&dd=26&nav_category=92
Russia is more powerful and confident now than it was in 1999, and NATO is weaker, being overstretched in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bulgaria and Romania might be more likely to be ‘persuaded’ to let the Russians pass through their airspace, especially as Bulgaria has a Muslim Problem of its own http://qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-478/_nr-673/i.html
Dissident Congress said
“Somewhere between 15% and 20% of the population of Russia is Muslim, and the percentage is increasing each year due to higher birth rates of Muslims compared with non-Muslims.”
Yes it’s true that the Muslims produce more children, but they’re losing them to Christianity as they grow up. The high rate of conversion may prevent a Muslim majority. Millions of Muslims in Russia are finding Jesus:
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=513
Despite the dangers there is a massive worldwide exodus from Islam: http://cuppapolitics.blogspot.com/2006/01/thousands-of-muslims-converting-to.html
In fact, the Mullahs have got so worried about this rejection of their Death-Cult that the Iranian government has decreed the death penalty for any Muslim, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD (Yes, that includes Britanistan), who converts to another religion: http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2008/02/iran-sets-law-to-execute-apostates-and.html
Saint George:
The battle we have is on 3 fronts:
Global Capitalisnm, Marxism and of oourse, Isllamofascism.
All of these are playing a huge part in the criminal violation of Serbian territory.
Mat I recommend that you set aside 3 hours and watch this very important film about what, exactly, has happened in the former Yugoslavia?
Yugoslavia - The Avoidable War”:
1. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5860186121153047571
2. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371060303901674397
When you’ve watched it, give me a shout on here and I’ll post some more videos about what the western media have deliberately done done to the Serbs. This conflict is not what most people think, I can assure you of that.
We are now a nation of war criminals, as bad as Stalin’s communists and Hitler’s nazis and we are being sold out by our supposed democratic government.
Quite simply, these parasites are traitors, no more, no less. A most serious charge that is supported by substantial evidence.
The west is in deep, deep trouble, of that there is no doubt.
I think our governments need to get their heads screwed on and wake up, before WWIII ignites, or all of us will really be in the sh**e
Sky News now has Serbians tagged up as ‘ethnic Serbs’. In their own country.
Next!
VLADIMIR PUTIN -DEFENDER OF CHRISTENDOM?
Though his father was a “militant atheist”, Putin’s mother “was a devoted Orthodox believer”. Though she kept no icons at home, she attended church regularly (despite the government’s persecution of the Russian Orthodox Church at that time). She ensured that Putin was secretly christened as a baby, and she regularly took him to services. His father knew of this but turned a blind eye. According to his own statements, his religious awakening followed the serious car crash of his wife in 1993, and was deepened by a life-threatening fire that burned down their dacha in August 1996. Right before an official visit to Israel his mother gave him his baptismal cross telling him to get it blessed “I did as she said and then put the cross around my neck. I have never taken it off since”
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin
Belgrade means “White City.”
Brings to mind the quote: “So, it is before the walls of [White City] the doom of our time will be decided.”
What a fantastic response to this crisis. We have seen more reader opinions over this issue, than any other topic on the BNP website. This is my third letter. Anyway, I fully support my fellow Christians and nationalists in Kosovo and Russia. Don’t forget who is now against Russia, and turning the world leaders towards conflict - the Oligarchs, that’s who. Those wealthy Jewish Zionists who suddenly, after Putin getting rid of them for raping and defrauding Russia on a criminally industrial scale, and coming here buying football clubs to launder their ill gotten gains, have now decided to suddenly oppose ”Communism”. It was the same elitist Oligarchs of Jewish origin, who funded, and founded Communism. Now we see millions of Muslims being groomed to take over ALL white western nations en mass. This could not happen naturally, they require traitors, fraudsters, and behind the scenes engineers, to organise such a take-over. However, with the world seeing things more clearly than at any other time, it will not go all their way forever. The chickens are coming home to roost - but they won’t be laying eggs this time.
ASP -
http://www.birminghampatriot.blogspot.com/
BC1959,
I don’t see how it would be in the Jews’ best interest to allow Muslims to take over the West.
There is a religious obligation (long preceding Zionism or the foundation of the state of Israel) that requires Muslims to totally exterminate the Jews before Resurrection Day can occur:
” PA Religious Leaders Call for Genocide of Jews
By Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook
Palestinian Media Watch | Tuesday, September 28, 2004
Twice in three days, PA religious leaders have openly called for the genocide of Jews. Broadcast on official PA TV, both called for the murder of Jews until the Jewish people are annihilated. Both presented the killing of Jews not merely as the will of Allah, but also as a necessary stage in history that should be carried out now. To support these mandatory killings, both cited the same Hadith - Islamic tradition attributed to Mohammed - expressing Allah’s will that Muslims will kill Jews, before the “Hour” of Resurrection.
The words of the Hadith:
“The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and kill them. And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!”
Numerous times in recent years Palestinian religious leaders and academics have taught publicly that this particular Hadith applies today. This teaching may well be a dominant motivating factor that drives terror against Israeli civilians, because it presents the killing of Jews as a religious obligation, not related to the conflict over borders, but as something inherent to Allah’s world.
Note also the defining of Jews as “the brothers of the monkeys and pigs” in Maadi’s religious lesson. PA religious leaders teach, based on a story in the Quran, that Jews were cursed by Allah and turned into monkeys and pigs. This is consistent with the PA teaching that the Jew’s have inherent and unchanging character defects.”
From
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=%7B0B687559-B469-4F4F-B307-ACEC42C3F5E4%7D
Russia has power over all of Europe. Just turn off the gas tap. It can get what it wants with out one bullet being fired. I for one would love to see the donkeys of Europe go cap in hand to Putin. I feel more akin to Russia than Islam!
I can stand the cold if it makes Islam retreat.
ROFFEN WARNS OF ‘LOSING EVERYTHING WE CHERISH’
Since making the comments in January he has received threats against himself and his family. Dr Nazir-Ali and his family are now under police protection.
In his latest interview, he insists his remarks were “based on evidence” and have been “strengthened as a result of overwhelming correspondence”.
He argues that a “spiritual and moral vacuum” has occurred in Britain over the past half-century.
Unless Christianity fills that void, he adds, something else may take its place - “and that could be Islam”.
“Do the British people really want to lose that rooting in the Christian faith that has given them everything they cherish - art, literature, architecture, institutions, the monarchy, their value system, their laws?”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7261237.stm
With Serbia -
http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2008/02/we-stand-with-serbia.html
http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~infinite/PeacePath_Flags_Data/SerbiaF.gif
Or with Islam?
You choose.
I stopped watching BBC a few weeks ago after nearly 29 years following that channel. This B.S. Corporation (pls do not take the “B” for British; they do not deserve to be known by that great name) has now embarked on finding faults with Russia. aj
Artorius, just to make things clear, I am not blaming ordinary Jewish people, or forgetting that Muslims have the obligation you mention. However, the oldest ongoing conflict between two similar, but divided religions/cultures, is and was, that between Jew and Arab. It goes way beyond the modern state of Israel, and is from Biblical times. I mentioned Russia because powerful Jewish Zionists and bankers funded Communism, and this led to what we are all witnessing today. With Russia’s post-Communist Jewish oligarchs now changing sides, after being caught out trading in Russian industrial resources, whilst millions starved, they have a ready made option to use Muslim arrogance and empire building, to cause conflict and retain massive influence in socio-economic terms. Many of our own politicians are as we speak, being bankrolled by them, and pretending to work for ”a better and equal society”. Islam is arrogant, and many Muslims think they are doing the will of their God, but the social engineers, many of them Zionists, are ensuring our countries are taken over via mass immigration, (professor Ted Cantor - England is unhealthily white) loss of our culture, and fractured communities. Kosovo and modern Russia, are two perfect examples of regions that have alien string pullers behind much of what has happened. Britain is next.
Kosovo is a lesson to us all. How long before east Lancs and west Yorkshires muslims start to demand a little independent state of there own, not today or tommorrow but maybe 20 or 30 years, you know just in time for our grandkids to do all the fighting and dying. They are areas already in England that are more or less little Islamic states in the making. I fully support the Serbs and I just pray that no British troops get sent to go and die for something that is internationally illegal.
I bet Gordon Clown is crapping himself, because we’ll be up to our necks in it!
lancashire lad: just to reinforce your view, I’ll re-state here what I posted some weeks ago under an article on this website of ours:
The Yorkshire Woollen District [West Yorkshire] Autonomous Islamic Province (AIP), capital: Dewsbury; The Lancashire Cotton District [East Lancashire]AIP,
capital: Oldham; The West Midlands AIP, capital to be determined but possibly Leicester.
I very much hope that our ruling traitors will be stupid enough to set them up. For obvious reasons I will not go into detail as to what I think the immediate response will be, or whence I think it will come although I should say that it will not in any way involve the BNP. Suffice it to say that I believe that those three AIPs will last for 48 hours at the most. I believe that the setting up of those three AIPs, or even just one of them, will, I believe, be “a bridge too far” for the ruling traitors and will result in a sudden end not only to the Muslims’ ambitions for this country but also to the traitors’ rule.
I know this sounds like a wild dream but it takes only a little lateral thinking to work it out. If anyone does so, please remember that our site is continuously monitored by the traitors’ apparatchiks. And I must strongly emphasise, of course, that what I think about this matter is only my harmless, crackpot, pie-in-the-sky opinion.
I’m totally with the Serbs on this, its like giving Yorkshire to muslims as a state of independance, if the Russians don’t help the Serbs who will? not spineless labour Britain or trigger happy usa, go for it Serbia it’s your country.
If Russia reacts or if Russia does not react is not the issue. What is important is that the partition of Serbia creates a precedent that will be used by others to violate International Law in a world that seems to care less and less about International Law. As the previous incarnation of the Organization of United Nations, the present UN is becoming absolutely irrelevant.
I hope that the Russian forces do not kill anybody but muslim terrorists and that other Christian nations realize it was necessary step in defending our homes.
I back Russia on this one and I hope the BNP do too.
I think conflict is inevitable now and this government will drag us into a war we don’t need to be in. What we need is a BNP led government who would only deploy forces in the interests of national securtiy.
VOTE BNP.
How are the US and the EU(SSR) going to ‘unrecognise’ this new ’state’ before it’s too late? The Russians mean what they say, and for once in my life I fully appreciate their point of view: ‘Get your hands off our land and our people, or we will respond accordingly’. What is it about that, that doesn’t seem to penetrate the skulls of these arrogant politicians? Did Marx’s ‘rewriting of history’ include the airbrushing of two world wars, which both started in the Balkans?
I’m starting to feel more Russian than British. The world’s gone mad, again.
I can only imagine how stupid we look to Russia, supporting the further Islamification of Europe… I like most Russians I have met,fierce, smart and direct people. We should be on their side in this one…there is certainly a hidden agenda here - it makes no sense legally, morally or historically to support Albanians in Kosovo!