99% Want Death Penalty!
As most (if not all) of our readers will know, the British National Party have always supported the re-introduction of the Death Penalty in the United Kingdom.
Many of the National newspapers this week are reporting that the families of victims in high profile cases such as the Suffolk Strangler, Sally Anne Bowman and Garry Newlove are all calling for the death penalty. Quite rightly too!
The problem is however, no matter how conclusive the support in favour of the death penalty these polls may show, the simple fact is that your voice will always be ignored. All three main parties refuse point blank to listen to the requests of those they claim to represent or serve. They know what is best, and our voice is nothing more than an opinion.
Look at the papers today, yesterday or any given day this month. They are full of murderers, paedophiles and serial killers laughing in the face of “Justice”. They know the consequences of their actions, and they do not fear them - they accept them with ease.
There is only one party that will commit to Capital punishment, and if you want to see it return, and you want these evil people off our streets and out of our communities for good, you need to support the British National Party.
We have clear policies that we are not afraid to commit to. We are not afraid to tackle the bigger issues head on. We are not afraid to apply the law in cases where the sentence fits the crime. We do not, nor will not, pander to the criminals rights, we support the victims rights whole heartedly.
Above all, we will send a clear message to the criminals that show no respect whatsoever for the law, the community, or to their victims and their families. We will put the fear and respect back into the law of this once Great Nation.
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It may be stating the obvious but I hope those now calling for the re-introduction of the death penalty know that this can never ever happen, while a member of the EU. Also, extradition from an EU country is forbidden where the wanted person may face the death penalty. So what I am saying is, I hope those calling for its re-introduction are also calling for our swift exit from the EU as well.
Something else that is also dear to my heart, is that I hope these unfortunate families now affected by these heinous murders were not against the death penalty before such capital crimes touched them - they have little sympathy from me for their sad loss if that is the case.
It’s a hard attitude I guess but would the same people also still (incredibly) vote for one of the mainstream parties who have allowed - and would continue to allow - all this murderous carnage without proper and due punishment? How many of them are BNP Supporters never mind Members? I think I know the answer to that one but hope I am wrong and will eat my words if they correct me so.
“We support the victims rights wholeheartedly.”
It is indicative of NuLabour that a line like this needs to be printed. But it quite clearly does. So very sad.
There’s no way on earth that the death penalty will ever be re-introduced by any of the three ”extremist” parties, who make up what is effectively, a single, tri-partate dicatorship. Liberal democracy is simply a warm, fluffy term that, actually means keeping it cozy until they are ready to Balkanise Britain. When they are ready, (soon?) they will potentially bring in the death penalty for supposed ”terrorist opposition groups”, under the guise of emergency rule etc etc. Only a firm but fair, nationalist government will introduce it, and they know this only too well. Until then, they will pretend that it is ”immoral” and ”un-civilised” to do so. Sadly, we are as a nation, sleepwalking to the gallows, whilst they make excuses for the criminals amongst us to do as they wish.
Maybe they should bring back the death penalty to traitors too. It might give the incentive to reduce the corrupt number of politicians who would gladly destroy our heritage, monarchy and lives for their own petty greed.
I remember reading a few years ago that since the abolition of the death penalty, support for its reintroduction has never dropped below 60% and often going as high as 80%. It has gone to a vote in one of the houses every 5 years or so and every time, they vote not to reintroduce it.
Obviously there are complicated things like tax and the economy that should be voted by a minority because the majority are not financial experts. But on issues of morality it is the majority that must decide what is right and wrong
We may not all be super intelligent but we all have a soul and we are capable of deciding for ourselves what is best for our communities.
This is another example of how far the establishment are from the reality. Most of them don’t live in high crime areas, they don’t have to fear for their daughters being raped or their sons being knifed. They can sit in their towers and wag their fingers at us for daring to ask for a bit of protection and some justice.
I must admit, that this is one of policies of the BNP I do not support. In a sense two wrongs dont make a right.
Capital Punnishment - yes in exceptional circumstances. But that is it.
Terrorists on the other hand, deserve the firing squad.
You also have another problem. Getting the people to press that button, that takes someone else life. In battle it is different because you are defending yourself.
It is that feeling “do I really want to be responisble for taking someones life?” Think about it. Could YOU do it.
Plus there is always an element of doubt no matter how conclusive the evidence may be, and do really have the right to play god.
I support the option of it as a deterrent, but not the use of it.
“this can never ever happen, while a member of the EU.”
Another excellent reason for getting out of that corrupt lying organisation.
The more I see of the BNP, the more I see how much more in tune they are with public opinion than the 3 main parties.
The merest mention of the death penalty compels those of a ‘liberal’ sensibility to wallow in a great vapour of smug indignation at their own moral superiority.
It allows them to look down their noses at those lesser mortals who so lack the virtues of wisdom and humanity that they could even consider such a ridiculous notion as making the punishment fit the crime. Such misguided individuals must be dragged by the hand, like the stubborn and foolish children they are, toward the rainbow paradise of multi-culturalism and human rights, where murderers, rapists and terrorists are nurtured and pampered, their diversity acknowledged and valued, and their contribution to our vibrant society is fully rewarded.
The liberal shibboleth is that a ‘civilised’ society does not have the death penalty. To do so would be illegal under EU law, and the existence of the death penalty in some US states is often cited as proof of the barbarity of that nation (and always associated with white, Christian, conservative values).
However, the statistics about the increase in the number of killings in Britain since the death penalty was abolished are truly horrifying.
The murder rate itself shows a steady increase from 392 in 1969 to 859 in 2004/05. The numbers were particularly high for 2002/03, at 1,043.
These are government statistics, so must be treated with caution, and I cannot find the numbers of other killings not categorised as murder, but one can reasonably conclude that manslaughter and other unlawful killings – such as those by uninsured drivers for example – have also more than doubled over this period.
What is most disturbing is the huge increase in violent crime generally, that is acts that could easily have ended in the victim losing their life.
In 1969 crimes of ‘wounding or other acts endangering life’ stood at 2,708, whereas by 2004/05 this had risen to 19,425.
Rapes have increased from 829 in 1968 to 12,354 in 2003/04.
All offences of ‘violence against the person’ have risen from a total of 31,850 in 1968 to 1,035,046 in 2004/05.
I am now totally convinced of the need for the death penalty to be reinstated. The argument that there is no place for such a punishment in a civilised society just doesn’t hold up when society as a whole is being undermined by high levels of violence and killing, and ordinary citizens live in fear. There is nothing ‘civilised’ about allowing killers who destroy the lives of others to walk free after a few years in prison, and, as is so often the case, kill again. In such a situation civil society itself is being undermined and effectively destroyed. It can be argued using the figures above that the re-introduction of capital punishment would save more than 400 lives every year.
The horrific murder trials that have concluded this week have powerfully demonstrated the pain and suffering caused to the victims’ families and friends, and their views would be treated with respect if we lived in a democratic society.
Falcons 1988 said “Terrorists on the other hand, deserve the firing squad.”
No, that’s exactly what they want. If the infidels kill them then they believe…
“Yeah, you get seventy-two virgins
in Allah’s bordello in the sky.
And you get twenty-four boys
with liquid brown eyes.
You can boogie in the daytime,
and you can boogie all night long.
In Mohammed’s bordello,
you get wine, women and song!”
from http://sheikyermami.com/2006/12/19/the-shoe-bomber (you need to double click the control to hear the song)
They should be given hard labour for life with the knowledge that when they die of natural causes they will be buried in pig’s skin.
Russian security have been burying Islamic terrorists wrapped in pig’s skin ever since the siege on a Russian theatre. Muslim superstition says this will defile them and will prevent the ‘martyrs’ entering paradise http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/57793
Unfortunely NuLabour sent the bodies of terrorists back to Pakistan to be buried in shrines without even so much as a rasher of bacon on them, or a Cumberland sausage inserted where the sun don’t shine: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4383162.stm
DNA evidence is pretty much conclusive, but to be absolutely sure there must be other compelling evidence aside from DNA, such as a witness or CCTV fingerprints etc.
I would support the death penalty ( I used to be against it ) for terrorists and murderers. I read in the paper that there are no cells left in prison, perhaps with the introduction of the death penalty we would free up some useful space ,whilst saving a great deal of money. Our government could then give our foreign friends (sic) some extra handouts with the extra money!
falcons1988: your post leaves me somewhat baffled in the extreme. How can a deterrent be a deterrent if you let it be known that you would never use it?? Even if you did not openly let it be known (disingenuous and Labour like) but never ever used it, I am sure the murderous fraternity would catch on rather quickly.
We’re not talking about WMD here you know (just as well you were not in charge during the cold war) but proper and due justice for that most horrendous of crimes - premeditated murder of a human being. A human life is so cheap now because of soft headed thinking like yours. And please don’t give me that state murder crap either - or what if we execute the wrong person? Mistakes will always happen with justice - it’s happening right now, big time! We are releasing lunatics to randomly kill totally innocent people - what about their rights?
No one is asking you to ‘push the button’ either but seeing as you ask - yes I would, a thousand times over. I (and I am sure thousands like me) would have absolutely no hesitation in going in the jails (at bursting point) tomorrow and despatching the likes of Islamic terrorists, child killers, OAP killers, drunk drivers who have killed, joy riders who have killed, teenagers who kick people to death outside their homes etc, etc. The list is endless. The jails are full of thousands of people who have forfeited their right to life. Yet we spend horrendous amounts of money keeping this scum alive while our law abiding OAP’s freeze to death because of their pathetic pensions.
You seem selective about who would be executed (terrorists) and who would not. Today’s terrorist aka freedom fighter, is quite often tomorrows Member of Parliament. My life means the same to me whoever ends up taking it - a deranged lunatic or a muslim suicide nut.
You are entitled to your opinion but it is so contradictory of itself. Would you have the same opinion if some drunk driver took away those who are nearest and dearest to you? They walk away almost scott free at the moment when they should be executed for their crime - not virtually forgiven.
If it bothers your conscience then by all means be against it but please, please don’t then change your mind if it ever affects you.
I fully support the use of capital punishment for pre-meditated murder, drug pushing, and paedophilia.
No one has the right to play God but in the case of the scum who commit the above crimes, then the state has the right to punish them with the ultimate penalty.
If people know full well that these crimes carry the death penalty then they have only themselves to blame. They choose it.
Another point: We do have the death penalty in the UK - social abortion. It seems we are prepared to give the scum of our society the benefit of the doubt but not precious unborn babies.
There are circumstances where abortion should be an option and there are circumstances where the death penalty should be an option IMHO.
There are compelling arguments for an against.
However, as long as the police manipulate or withhold evidence or simply fabricate or rely on purely cirumstantial evidence (and of course it HAS happened, ask the family of Timothy Davis) in order to gain a conviction it must never happen.
Only when ALL evidence is made available to BOTH sides can a trial become fair. As it is, introducing the death penalty for “selected crimes” would soon be expanded to cover most under our present government. Any introduction of the death penalty should also ensure that the “fitting up” of a suspect who is then wrongly executed carries a Capital Murder charge on those responsible - with the same penalty.
One of the features of “western democracy” is more or less open support and encouragement for murderers, terrorists (even put them in government in NI), perverts and criminals in general. There is great play on the “rights” of those who commit vile offences against the innocent. In my view this is seriously misguided.
There is a sort of emotional hand wringing as society descends to levels of depravity and lawlessness unknown in the lifetimes of most people reading this. This false tolerance may be seen as humane, tolerant and understanding (to all the wrong people in my view) and is guaranteed to ensure that the situation will continue to worsen.
I am 100% in favour of the death penalty for treason, murder, terrorism, crimes against children and could easily be persuaded to extend it to big-time drug dealers. For lesser crimes against society, real work (such as road building etc), confiscation of criminally acquired assets and not being kept in comfort or otherwise at the taxpayers expense.
I respect the views of those who are against it, perhaps on the grounds that a mistake has been made. But I think the BNP stance on the death penalty rests on there being absolute proof such as DNA etc.
Falcons 1988 points to the obvious and I agree; it should only be used in extreme circumstances and not in every case. we should look at cases individually. I feel however, that the families of victims of such criminals would have no problem ‘pushing the button.’
Given the fact that the majority of the public vote yes to the return of capital punishment, we have to ask why the MP’s vote no…and why they won’t give it to public vote.
Since the abolition of capital punishment the murder rate has virtually trebled.The argument against the death penalty is that an innocent person may be convicted but no mention is made or responsibility accepted for the innocent thousands who have died since the deterrent was removed in 1964.
The death penalty should not be used in every case but considered in every case after guilty verdicts are found.
The victims are dead and the criminals live!
Despite the serious message of the post -
“Unfortunely NuLabour sent the bodies of terrorists back to Pakistan to be buried in shrines without even so much as a rasher of bacon on them, or a Cumberland sausage inserted where the sun don’t shine:”
I found that hilarious, cheers Artorius :)))))))
Yet another issue our so call representatives wont allow a referendum on due to the foregone conclusion.
Falcons1988, I would willingly execute people who abuse children etc.
“A life for a life”
It is self evident, given the massive increase in murders since the abolition of capital punishment and the readiness of even the pettiest of offenders routinely to carry knives and guns, that the death penalty should be reintroduced. Let us not be distracted by the hand-wringing argument that the danger of hanging the wrong man is too great. Any penal system operated by human beings will produce mistakes. Every safeguard must be built into the system to avoid them, and any miscarriage of justice involving capital punishment is a tragedy. However, against this sort of mistake should be weighed the other sort: where murderers released from prison murder again. There are even cases of murderers killing again whilst released on bail awaiting trial. Of course if ‘Life’ really meant what it says, it might be different, but it doesn’t, does it?
pblake - Great post.
I have often wondered how a ‘civilised’ society could care more about criminals’ rights than a citizens’ responsibilities?
And how a society which give cold blooded killers, paedophiles and those who prey on the elderly a mere slap on the wrist can be deemed ‘civilised’ is beyond me.
When a liberal-leftist makes reference to a civilesd society they really mean a politically correct, human rights obsessed left wing society.
Leftists believe that the state is the ONLY source of evil, therefore a weak state will almost by definition be a nice place to live. Those of us not liberals realise that a lawless society can be just as evil, oppressive and murderous as a totalitarian dictatorship.
Most of that lot however, are too pig-headed to swallow their pride and admit that on crime an punishment, the left have been proved so utterly wrong.
Perhaps if there was proper sentencing in the first place, and proper observance of those sentences, people would not feel the need to bring back capital punishment. Liberalism (as if we didn’t know) has gone out of control over the past few decades, and there simply isn’t anything like enough deterrence or enough sanction against crime. This applies across the board, from general disrespect to murder.
Personally I believe we should bring back hanging, at least for as long as it takes to convince thugs and murderers that there is a line that may not be crossed, and that the probable consequences of such crime are no longer ‘worth the risk’. It’s a simple equation and one that society seems to have forgotten. It’s time to prioritise the rights of victims rather than the priveledges of the offenders.
Not exactly easy, of course, now we have ‘absolutely full’ prisons for the first time in our history, and convicts are being let out even earlier on the basis that they are foreigners. !
‘Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime.’ Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.
I agree with this stance the BNP takes on the death penalty,let us hope when the BNP get in power of which i am sure they will. That is one of the first pledges they carry out,For far to long the Liberals and our so called servants ie the politicians have denied us the right to reinstate this capital punishment as a warning to all those that wish to take an innocent life,and hopefully they will also bring back the death penalty for treason as well….
I was also going to say that we do in fact have the death penalty in this country - but only for some good people of this land that are mostly forgotten about: soldiers sent to fight and die in illegal wars; old people condemned to a slow freezing death through having to choose between food, warmth and council tax; those kicked to an unrecognisable pulp outside their home by ferals; opportunist or preying rapists who kill their victim anyway because it’s less chance of being caught and what does it matter anyway; children betrayed to the likes of Huntley, working as a school caretaker; etc.
We have long ceased to be civilized with the abolition of the death penalty. The circus that has prevailed around the Moor’s Murderers (one down, one to go) for 40 years (just escaped the death penalty) has been ridiculous - and expensive. There is no justification for keeping such monsters alive.
I am of the opinion that the death penalty should be the norm for all murders and should only be commuted to a full life term in very exceptional circumstances. We have become desensitized to how horrific a crime murder is, it is happening so frequently. The taking of a human life by a criminal act is the worst possible crime imaginable. Show them no mercy.
About time. Please start with this government the BBC and all their followers then all the other criminals once nature is allowed to take its natural course will then follow.
pblake said :
“Such misguided individuals must be dragged by the hand, like the stubborn and foolish children they are”
That reminded me of something i read this week. It’s about a top shrink who came to the conclusion that liberals are clinically insane and that they’re like childrens who refuse to grow up.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56494
Another violent murder of a child just a stones throw from the front door. Multiculturalism what a crock of s**t.
The Capital Punishment debate, like the Abortion debate, can so easily polarise opinions about these two most emotive subjects. The Gold Standard of Justice - The Death Penalty - has to be got just right but it has to be - must be - made available to the courts. Courts that have been cleared of liberal wets and the like. Courts where justice is blind but victims are given similar rights to those of the accused.
Mistakes have to be avoided at all costs but mistakes will inevitably be made because that is the nature of the justice beast. It cannot however, be a reason for not having the death penalty, otherwise we would not have any criminal justice system at all - then no mistakes would ever be made! The burden of proof may have to be ‘beefed up’ for a death sentence to be handed down but the principle of the Death Penalty, I believe, is absolute and will save hundreds of innocent lives every year because of its inarguable deterrent effect.
If we get The Gold Standard right, the whole justice system will be better for it and be both effective and meaningful - not useless and pointless like now.
Ruth Ellis needed a Home Secretary with a view like that expressed by falcons1988 but tragically, got a Home Secretary with a view similar to mine - and died for it. Like my earlier post, it was the wrong call but such is the nature of man and justice - imperfect and blind.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/women/ellis/12.html
Oh this is a toughie, even for a right-winger like me. To repeat the terrible mistake made in the Christie case, where an innocent man went to the gallows for Christie’s crimes, would be appalling to say the least. However, when it is transparently clear a perpetrator is guilty, either by proof or confession, then the death penalty is warranted. Remember, even God struck down his enemies.
Just to clarify on that earlier February 23, 2008, 4:36 pm post. I stand by its content and my viewpoint but regret the tone of it, which regretably bordered on the (or now reads back like) personal attack instead of persuasive argument. Apologies to falcons 1988 if apologies are due.
I think the death sentence for all murders should be the rule rather than the very rare exception but Ruth Ellis’ crime of passion, was one where a life sentence would probably have been more ‘just’. Not sure if victim David Blakely’s family would agree with that though.
It was a tough call (especially in the 50’s) and in the end, down to the beliefs and final decision of one man - the Tory Home Secretary of the day, Gwilym Lloyd George.
It was not so much a wrong decision (as I may have implied earlier) in my opinion, or even a bad decision. It was HIS decision in a very different time to now. Blind Justice seen to be done.
Support the reintroduction of the DEATH PENALTY.
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Call me soft but the whole idea of the death penalty sends shudders down my spine. Too many innocent people get sent down for crimes that could result in a death penalty.
In my opinion it doesn’t prevent these sorts of crimes and the reason I say this is the people that commit them are simply void of any remorse and don’t seem to have much control over what they do. USA is a classic example of it not working and as cultures go we share more similarities with the Yanks and we do with Islamic countries that also have the death penalty.
I think certain crimes should mean life, i.e till you die. In the interest of public safety these sorts of killers and predators should be locked up for good.
It think it would be wise for the BNP to adopt a more modern approach to crime and punishment. We have moved on from the gallows and think it is time to address the length of sentencing not reintroduce the death penalty for the sake of revenge.
Lets leave the death penalty with backward islamic countries.
If I could argue (passionately and persuasively) that one of many things that I see wrong with the richard978 approach, is that by not having the death penalty, it would be condemning to death absolutely, innocent people as now - you or I tomorrow? I personally think that the deterrent effect is vastly underestimated. Look at the number of murders and also killings that are denied the rightful tag of murder - they are off the Richter Scale!
Life, even a full life term, is no deterrent either and constantly punishes the victim’s families who are faced with the killer’s ever presence in the world and the never ending call for a retrial, release etc. The impact and enormity of their crime is inevitably diminished by time on all but the families left to grieve. In these liberal times, it is nearly always the norm to forget the victims plight and merely focus on the poor incarcerated killer.
Those three savages who kicked Garry Newlove to death in Warrington, deserved (and still deserve) to die. That they did it is absolutely not in doubt. They will not even spend 20 (or even 10?) years in jail for their heinous crime. I have already said that proof of guilt may need to be ‘beefed up’ and may even need to be ‘absolute’ but these Warrington ferals should have been put up against a wall and shot - end of story and even in public! I can assure you, there would not be many more Garry Newlove tragedies, which are now so commonplace. They happen with such frequency now that I just had to look Garry’s name up on Google!
MP’s should represent the wishes of the People they are supposed to represent. If it was up to me, I would make a vote for the return of the Death Penalty, not a free vote but a two/double line whip. Vote for it or abstain and stay away.
This would satisfy those with an understandable conscience about these things and most important, satisfy the right of the electorate to have their overwhelming wish granted for the swift return of proper and due justice.
richard978
Capital punishment has been a central BNP policy since the outset and this policy is not going to be changed.
We don’t have to go back to the 1950’s to find miscarriages of justice which, had the death penalty still been available, would most surely have resulted in hanging an innocent man:
“A final exoneration for man wrongly convicted of murder
Stefan Kiszko died less than two years after his release from prison”
By Kate O’Hara
“THE man who seved more than 16 years in prison for a crime he could never have committed was yesterday completely exonerated of Lesley Molseed’s murder.
Stefan Kiszko died less than two years after his conviction was quashed on December 21, 1993.
Yesterday, 14 years after his death, Mr Kiszko was once again the subject of the prosecution’s opening speech in the little girl’s murder trial - but this time the Crown was confirming he was an entirely innocent man.
The trial of Ronald Castree,, now accused of the 11-year-old’s murder in 1975, heard tragic details of Mr Kiszko’s wrongful imprisonment. Julian Goose, QC, prosecuting, told the court: “The 1975 investigation by the police led to a man known as Stefan Kiszko.
“Ladies and gentlemen, some of you may recall the name of Stefan Kiszko. He served over 16 years in prison for a crime he did not commit.” Mr Goose told the court Mr Kiszko was quickly charged and convicted of Lesley’s murder and imprisoned for life. It was not until 1992 his conviction was quashed and he was released from prison.
from http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/11496/A-final-exoneration-for-man.3408049.jp
Richard978. If people have no control over what they do, isn’t that all the more reason for disposing of them? Because that suggests they will be repeat offenders. I seem to remember New York some years ago had zero tolerance and it worked.You will of course never stop murder, but disposing of them would tidy up our prisons which you and I pay for. Ian Huntley has two cells one to live in and one as a gym. What possible reason is there for keeping him alive? He has nothing to give society,the taking of a human life is the worst crime a human can commit.We need the death penalty for it.
Re: Artorius. Stefan Kiszko would never have been executed under either the previous death penalty rules or a future BNP Executive/Legislative/Independent Judicial legal system. In fact had the death penalty been available, he might not have been convicted at all - or even been in court. It’s very easy to fit someone up or find someone guilty on dodgy evidence (or a dodgy confession) if you know they are ‘only’ going to prison.
The ‘bar’ would be set so high (absolute even) in the future, for the death penalty to be sought by the prosecution, that all evidence would by default, be of a much higher standard. The dodgy confession of Stefan Kiszko would be laughed out of court. A death penalty could never be (has never been?) sought on confessional evidence alone. The Evans (Christie) case was much more than just about his confession - freely given, though Timothy Evans has since been posthumously pardoned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Evans
It’s ironic to think that it is because of our ’so watered down’ and pathetic, inadequate justice system - without its ‘gold standard’ death penalty to measure everything else by - that Stefan Kiszko spent 16 years in jail for a crime he didn’t commit.
Stefan Kiszko would (in my view) have been saved from court, jail and a premature death by the gold standard - not killed by it.
I could gladly put the noose over their necks. Where do I sign up for the job?
The only reason the politicians are against hanging. Is they are scared witless incase one day mobs rebel and string them up.
If there is a god up there. If only. make my wishes come true.
A couple of (I think) very interesting judicial points to ponder on, regarding a couple of historical cases:
1. Timothy Evans was subsequently pardoned but his conviction still stands! Try and get your head around that one! He was pardoned on the basis that he would not have been found guilty by a court today on the evidence submitted at the time. He was forgiven (pardoned) his crime but in the eyes of the law, he still stands convicted of killing his baby - and may well have done. See how time diminishes the impact and enormity of crimes?
2. A far worse (in my view) miscarriage of justice that would never be tolerated today was that of Derek Bentley. When PC Sidney Miles was shot and killed by Christopher Craig, Derek Bentley had been under arrest for 15 minutes or so. Craig was too young to go to the gallows but Bentley was not and someone had to pay! Derek Bentley was hanged and Christopher Craig went to prison. Derek Bentley was granted a Royal Pardon in 1993 and the conviction set aside in 1998.
A fatally flawed justice system then and like now, I’m afraid, not a case against the reintroduction of the death penalty with very high (absolute) standards of proof required for a conviction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bentley
I am an ex Police officer, I can remember talking to several petty criminals in London just after the suspension of the Death penalty. This was not long after the great train robbers had been sent down fo 30 odd years for robbing a mail train.
I asked them how it affected them, they said it didn’t but the big boys were now getting “tooled up” for jobs, as they would not get any more punishment if they shot their way out of trouble and by shooting their way out they might even get away with it!!
For those that can remember it just after this, a villain called Harry Roberts shot and killed 3 policemen near wormwood scrubs as they tried to stop and question him! He is still alive, they are dead!
Yes a few innocent people might get hung, however with improvements in DNA etc, how mamy lives would it save? The Murder rate is running at hundreds a year and growing at an alarming rate, the deterrent effect is considerable, a lot of these arrogant gang members would think more than twice if they knew they would be hung for shooting or stabbing a rival or innocent bystander or victim! As for the fanatical islamic terrorists, contaminate them with lard or feed their bodies to pigs!! See if they are so brave then?
They say the way we treat our criminal element determines our civilisation.
PC claptrap!!
A civilised country cares for its elderly, infirm, and young. The death penalty and long harsh pison sentences are the true signs of a healthy civilisation because the only people that would then live in fear would be criminals. If a civilised governance had been running Britian the last 50 years our prison population would probably one eighth of todays figures. You may disagree but the proof is in our history. When the death penalty was on statute, our murder rate was 1/20th of current figures, ditto for serious crime.
Sure there have been misscarriages of justice mostly in favour of criminals. But this is because of sharp practices in the judicary. To most judges and barristers it all one big game, whereby they hope to score points of each other. If you think that i’m having you on ask Nick Griffin next time you have a chance. Twice in the dock.
I say again: yes with capital punishment there will always be a risk of hanging an innocent man. There is however, far more of a risk of a murderer, released after a prison sentence, killing again, or killing while on bail. A justice system administered by human beings will always be fallible. The reintroduction of the death penalty would provide the appropriate punishment for killers and would act as a deterrent to the petty criminals who nowadays casually carry guns and knives safe in the knowledge that if they kill in the course of committing a crime they will get just a prison sentence; and not a very long one either.
I’m all for capital punishment. Basically,though, if and when the BNP get into power, the return of the death penalty will not happen over-night. With our parliamentary system as it is it could take many months if not years to get it through…The BNP will be concentrating on deporting all the illegal murdering scum, and maybe they can extradite many of our own home-grown scum as well! In other words busy cleaning up all the sh*t left behind by previous governments.
And to answer the question put by ‘GODBALLSOFFIRE’, the reason why MPs won’t put it to public vote is because they may as well be putting the noose around their own treacherous necks to hang themselves!!
I come from an area where a Paedophile had murdered a young girl in the early 90’s in Mansfield Woodhouse. I saw the aftermath what it had on this couple and I also knew what failings the authorities were responsible for at the time. Thankfully the couple are relieved that the monster has died from cancer in his cell recently but he should had been hung. There have been several other murders throughout the Mansfield and Ashfield district over the years and it is spinning out of control.
The death sentence must be restored and that is why I have switched my vote from the mainstream politicians because they no longer serve any purpose and I have been fooled by their vile propaganda for far too long.
The people of this country deserve justice and justice they must have and it must be swift and that is what we were promised by this Labour Government. They sorted out Northern Rock in a matter of days but they cannot deal with more important issues like this that plague our everyday lives?
Life is far far far more important than profit and the only people I see making a profiy are fat bussinessmen, corrupt politicians the drug dealers and crinimal gangs, but not the decent folk of this society.
I found this over the weekend,it is an excellent and reasoned discussion about the death penalty:
http://yesdeathpenalty.googlepages.com/home2
I reckon the death penalty would be a step backwards that will play into the hands of those who want Sharia Law implemented in Britain. Instead, we should ensure that life sentences mean life and that those convicted of serious crimes like murder spend the rest of their natural lives in prison. Would you put your own life in the hands of a system that is ignoring our most fundamental rights? I don’t think so. The BNP must resist the temptation of jumping onto the bandwagon of the politically correct society that could bring back the kind of tool that could also be used for political purposes to get political opponents out of the way.
In a way i agree with Carlos. But then again i do strongly feel that those who commit offenses or crimes as severe as rape, paedophilia and murder should be given what they deserve..the death penalty.
It is sick to think that people who have fought for this country and simply refuse to pay the ridiculously rising council taxes are banged up when disgusting paedophiles are let free early just because this government can’t handle law and order and imprisonments.
VOTE BNP.
Hammer Man Levi Bellfield hated blondes and killed at least two of them - that we know of. The evil wheel clamper from west London, bludgeoned Amelie Delagrange, 22, and Marsha McDonnell, 19, after they got off buses in south-west London. Yet the headlines only suggest that this monster COULD get a life sentence! See what I mean about watered down justice?
There is the usual and utterly futile ‘bring back the death penalty’ from family and friends and neighbours and public and their dogs. There is even a pointless points of view or poll on Sky News with emails coming in suggesting the same. What they pointedly fail to mention is that our equally pointless (majority of) MPs, will never ever vote for its return, whatever their constituents want and demand. This is not democracy. And they also fail to mention, that as long as we are in the EU, there will never be a reintroduction of it either.
We do have a sort of death penalty though in Britain but only for the law abiding majority - like these young and ‘absolutely innocent’ girls whose only crime was being blonde and in the wrong place, when this fiend was on one of his prowls.
Makes you sick. No endless appeals for them - or possibly for you or me or OUR loved ones tomorrow.
I forgot to add that, had we had a gold standard (absolute proof required) death penalty available to a totally independent judiciary, cleansed of liberal wet judges, I do not think that these murders would ever have occured in the first place. It would have been a very different society and Levi Bellfield may not have even evolved into the monster he is now.
One thing is certain, he would now be facing a lethal injection (or whatever) to give some kind of closure to the families of his victims and what must be their unbearable ‘torture’ - which we also have in this uncivilized Country of ours. Instead we will have a 30 - 40 year media circus suurounding his constant appeals and possible release. Torture, pure torture for the families - and for us!
Breaking News again! Levi Bellfield has just been given a whole life sentence! Yeh sure, I’ll believe it when I see it. However, the point I want to make is: why is his crime worth a whole life sentence and Ian Huntley’s and the like not worth the same ‘tarrif’? Could the liberal wets in the judiciary be sensing the danger to themselves from a future BNP Government?
And what a complete and utter waste of our money keeping Bellfield in his high star hotel for the rest of his miserable life. I’m feeling sick again at the pointless thought of it all - and all those poor pensioners, freezing or starving to death, all for want of a bit more money.
I do not believe that the death penalty is a deterrent to criminals. What is DOES do is get the criminal out of circulation.. and yes, there will inevitably be the risk that there has been a miscarriage of justice. Oh, and a life sentence should mean just that!
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Our Law and order policy includes the statement -
“We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed.”
A review of our policies may be read here - http://www.bnp.org.uk/sms-news-texts/ - Ed
We have needed capital punishment for years now. Why don’t the idiots who run this country listen?
It is time to hang those who kill innocent people, birch those who roam the streets in gangs attacking decent citizens, the medical and fire services. Bring back the cane at school, (it never did me any harm in later life) and possibly bring back national service for all on leaving school, including Muslims!!
No-one should be exempt.
Ed says: The very existence of the cane at my school was enough to ensure I was never on the receiving end of it.
I’ve read these comments with interest and have no more to add other than that I broadly support the Party’s policy on this matter.
What strikes me is the open, reasoned and sober way in which the arguments for and against the death penalty have been articulated. All of those posting above deserve credit for the quality of their contributions on this very emotive subject.
Incidentally, where are the knuckle-dragging neanderthals the media lead us to believe make up the membership of the BNP? If these posters are indeed neanderthals, they seem to be remarkably articulate and intelligent ones!
Like falcons1988, this is one of the very few BNP policies I disagree with.
We’ve all been spouting lately about how Christian our country should be and how much better it would be if we followed it’s teachings, so I’m finding the above commets a little hypocritical.
According to the New Testament, taking someone’s life is wrong, be it by an individual or by the state. As far as Christianity is concerned this is Gods decision, not ours. Also, if you are a Christian, you must forgive, even when it comes to murderers, rapists and peadophiles. Hard, I know but these are the rules.
This doesn’t mean they don’t deserve the noose but locking them up till the day they’re dead in a proper prison on a diet of bread and water, hard labour and sloping out is a better, harsher alternative.
You hang them, and their punishment is over. Given the choice most would rather hang than spend the rest of their lives in gaol, eg Fred West, Harold Shipman.
Over several years I have heard the views expressed by a great many people about the Death Penalty and the vast majority have been firmly in favour of it, much to the denial of the politicians. I keep my opinions very much to myself during conversations so as not to influence the expression of others - (the vast majority in favour are in fact old ladies)!
I for one am whole-heartedly in favour of the Death Penalty - arm the police and you make a man judge, jury and executioner all in one - let the Courts decide fair and square and with all the evidence - if in any doubt obviously do not execute; also have degrees of murder, (there is a huge difference between a battered housewife who snaps and a serial killer). I would say to those against the penalty, I for one would kill just to get at a murderer of my friends or family - surely better to have justice in the first place!!!
In my view, Fred West killed himself (while awaiting trial) in a futile attempt to get his wife off the hook. This may have totally backfired on him by merely concentrating efforts to ’secure a conviction’ for the murders - always a dangerous (someone has to pay) reason for justice but I believe they got it right. Harold Shipman killed himself so his wife could get his NHS pension - but he waited to see what the verdict was first! Clever, devious Doctor Death and certainly nobody’s fool.
I think this particular debate on the return of the death penalty, has taught me a very important lesson or two.
1. The overwhelming majority of posts reflect the Country’s desperate plea, for the swift, judicially safe return of the death penalty.
2. I am now very glad that we are not ALL advocating it’s swift return - one or two against or expressing caution - as indicated in most, if not all opinion polls. This is good democracy and nails any potential spin and lies from our liberally wet political enemies, such as an absurd accusation that the BNP has an uncompromising policy on Capital Punishment.
However, having said that, I do not believe it would be right for a future BNP led Government to allow their Party MPs to vote against a key policy issue. No BNP MP would ever be FORCED (as in 3 line whip) to vote FOR and WITH the Government on such an issue, against his or her conscience - but they would not be allowed to vote AGAINST it either and effectively side with the opposition parties. This might deny the People their overwhelming wish - as is happening now.
I believe a ‘2 line whip’ is the only proper and just solution, where, after a healthy debate, those BNP MPs who do not wish to vote with the Government, would leave the Chamber (and effectively abstain) while all those remaining would file into the YES lobby. By so doing, the Peoples’ voice will be finally heard and their overwhelming wish finally granted.
Many of the people who are having doubts about the death penalty must wake up and look at Britain today, a country where most law-abiding people hesitate to confront drunken yobs committing vandalism or worse, for fear of being kicked to death, where drug and other gangs attack rivals and often innocent passers-by with guns and knives without fear of our useless police “service” detecting them. Many streets and town centers are “no go” areas at night for pensioners and other law-abiding citizens for fear of drink and drug fuelled violence where our diluted “EU human rights” laws fail to protect the innocent victim and yet give millions of pounds to our corrupt lawyers to protect this scum! They dont even have to live here to claim our legal protection; look at the Iraqis who are making huge claims against the British Army, encouraged by these parasitic slime who actually advertise there funded by us in the way of legal aid. Yet these bleeding heart liberals indulge in their pink, limp-wristed hand-wringing and keep bringing up a couple of dubious cases 50 or 60 years old. Count how many people would be alive today if they had not been victims of the murders or unlawful killings in the last 40 years if we executed most of the murderers. It IS a deterrent, no matter what people say. 3 police officers would be alive today if Harry Roberts had known he would have been hung for shooting them in cold blood!
I agree it may not work to prevent lunatics, but most of these killers are sane, maybe drunk or drugged, but sane. The cost of keeping this scum in jail is enormous and rising weekly, the fear on our streets is palpable and increasing!
If we include drug-dealing in the capital offences, again it would have a huge impact on what is our society’s biggest single problem, that up to 80% of all thefts are believed to be drug related; much prostitution is caused by the same dependence! It is time to grasp the nettle, clear the scum from our streets, reinvest the money in facilities and training for OUR youth and not the pc, multi-cultural trough which most of it disappears into. Make prisoners earn their keep. Prison is a punishment not a human rights funded holiday camp!
WAKE UP BRITAIN, ignore the pink slush many of our politicians, lawyers and media spout at you. The reality is that capital punishment works as a deterrent and most of us want it reintroduced!
I have often mused on the living hell such murderers as Peter Sutcliffe and his ilk must suffer in jail; imagine the myriad of torments, some very subtle, others very direct, which these truly evil monsters must endure at the hands of the staff and other prisoners minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day, week by week, month by month, year after year. . . we know this, from the number of times such monsters try to commit suicide while in jail. I have concluded that the lengthy jail sentence for such monsters as child-killers and violent paedophiles is a far more cruel and prolonged punishment than the death penalty:- the latter, swift and clean, would release their anguished, tormented souls to God’s judgement, where He would in His wisdom consign them to Heaven or to Hell.
My musings then, lead me to believe that there’s no-one quite so sadistic and cruel in the matter of punishments as a bleeding heart liberal; I think that those who argue against the death penalty for such crimes as murder, are actually far more cruel than those of us in the BNP who seek to re-introduce capital punishment.
The continued abolition of the death penalty contrary to the wishes of the people of the country simply shows that our ‘democracy’ is a fraud.
A policy which is continued in the face of constant opposition by the majority of the people for two generations isn’t ‘leadership.’ It’s dictatorship.
Of course, exactly the same is true of mass immigration. People don’t vote because when they walk down their local High St, the number of foreigners around tells them that what they want is of no interest to the political elites who actually run the country.
They run it regardless of popular opinion, which they treat with total contempt and ignore if it can be ignored.
Under our system, with the major parties having a ‘consensus,’ it usually can be.
While in the EU it cannot happen.
Because of DNA I was in favour of the death penalty. However, having read the report in today’s Daily Mail that 1 in 8 DNA samples are incorrectly filed under innocent names, I’m changing my mind.
The punishment should fit the crime.
No wonder the prisons are full up: if you break the law you have a luxury life in “prison” which is paid for by taxpayers!